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Florida Forum, Miami, Florida.  ( 1964-06-21 )

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Florida Forum, Miami, Florida. ( 1964-06-21 )
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Speeches, 1942-1970. Speeches -- June-December 1964. (Farris Bryant Papers)
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Florida Forum, a weekly examination or tapics or interest to

the peeple or South Florida. New here is your moderator, Tom miller.
MILLER: Good evening. This week our guest on Florida Forum is
Governor Farris Bryant. He will be Questioned on the status of civil
rights and reapportionment in Florida. We will begin the program
after this message.
3 The frontiers of freedom lie wherever proud people struggle
against disease, ignorance, poverty and hunger. The men and women

or the Peace Corps are helping .in that struggle. In many or the newly
developing nations of Asia, Africa and South America the need for skill

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and training is great. Peace Corps volunteers living, teaching and
working directly with the peeple or these cauntries are helping then
build a better future for their own country. The men and women or
the Peace Corps are making an important contribution to world peace
1and human welfare and the training and experience they receive will
stand them in good stead for the rest of their lives. No matter

what your training, your skill, your education there is something you
can do in the Peace Corps. Any qualified citizen over 18 is eligible
gror two years of Peace Corps training and service. You can get full
details by writing today to the Peace Corps, Washington 25, D. C.
IMILLER: Once again, cur guest tonight on Florida Forum is Governor
'Farris Bryant. QuestiOning our guest are WCKT newsman Mike Silver
.snd Dr. Edward Sobin, Professor of Government at the University of
'Miami. He also have questions from Our studio audience. Now we will

:begin our Questions from our panel. First HCKT newsman Mike Silver.

PRUM & PEASE N653 up

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We sent in one-fifth of our total state police force, we have been
doing everything that we could to preserve law and order, we will continue
to do so. Then in my Judgment we came to a point where it was no longer
possible to operate on that premise and therefore I had to require that
there by no further demonstrations at nighttime at this time.
ANNOUNCER: Now, we are going to our audience for some questions.
Please raise y0ur hand and wait for recognition and then stand and
identify yourself and your organization it any before asking your
question. The lady in the second row in a yellow flowered dress.
QUESTION: (Secretary or the Miami Chapter or the Congress of Racial
Equality.) I would like to ask you in what sense is a restaurant, a
hotel or motel Open to the public when a whole group of that public
is arbitrarily refused its services?
GOVERNOR: That is a good question. or course, when I or you cpen a
hotel or motel or restaurant or any other facility of that kind under
the law as it stands today it is our prOperty. We have all the rights
connected with it, subject to the right of cleanliness and paying taxes
and things of this kind. We can set the prices, we can determine what
shall be served, whether it be kosher food or non-kosher food, or
anything that we like in that respect, and we can also determine who
shall be our customers. Now, this is a property right. The owner of

as restaurant has a right to determine who shall be his customers and
the customer has a right to determine what restaurant he want to
patronize. I drive down a public street, I see a restaurant, I don't'
like the name, or maybe I do like the name so I go in, I look at the
owner, I don't like him or maybe I do so I sit down and look at his
food, I don't like his food; if for any 0: these reasons or no reason

I want to turn around and walk out that is my privilege. I am a free

man. And by the same token if I am on the other side or the counter

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I should not be less free in the exercise of the sovereign prerogative
of choice, because it is choice that makes freedom. When there is

no choice, there is no freedom.

ANNOUNCER: Gentleman in the first row.

QUESTION: (President of the University of Miami Young Republicans)
Governor Bryant, because of the deep tarnishing that the United States
image has taken around the world because of the St. Augustine crisis,

I wonder if yOu investigated the possibility that the right aegregationist
movement in St. Augustine might be communist influenced?

GOVERNOR: No, I have not investigaged either group. I would not be
surprised to find that subversive groups or influences in both sides of
that controversy there, but the Federal Government has gone a good

long way toward limiting the power of the state to do anything absut
subversive groups. In the case in Pennsylvania, for instance, where

a former communist located here in Florida -- Steve Nelson, I believe
his name was -- was convicted by the State of Pennsylvania for treason,
the Supreme Court of the United States upset that finding on the grounds
that the state did not have a right to make such a determination. So

a governor is somewhat restricted in what he may do in the area of
subversion.

ANNOUNCER: This first lady here in the black dress.

QUESTION: (Membership chairman of CORE) Governor Bryant, you said and
I quote "that you had hoped that the Congress would be more temperate
and that it would seem to you that they have done a great inJury to

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national unity. Now my question to you, air, is this: don't you think
that racial discrimination and segregation of American citizens has

injured national unity more than the Rights Bill would ever do?

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GOVERNOR: You are posing two things Opposite each other which are not
equal. I don't think the civil rights bill is going to eliminate
discrimination or segregation. I do believe it is going to divide the
nation. I think it is wrong. I think the way the bill is structured,
and I have only had a very casual and rapid reading of a portion of
Senator Dirksen's amendment, the way the bill is structured now it will
only apply here in the south. In New York, for instance, if you lived
in Harlem or in the ghettos there where so much injustice is perpetrated
upon the Negro race and other Americans, the bill will not apply, because
New York you see has an FEPC and a civil rights commission of its own,
but in Florida where for the most part the conditions are not nearly

so bad they will apply immediately. The whole bill is drafted in such
a fashion as to reflect first on one section of the nation and then
ultimately if at all upon other sections of the nation. I don't think
the Congress of the United States ought to pass sectIOnal legislation
and it seems to me that this is what they have done.

ANNOUNCER: The gentleman in the second row.

QUESTION: (Member of the Greater Miami Urban League) You have already
commented partially on my question and my question is: Do you feel

that the recent passage of the civil rights bill will create similar
cities like St. Augustine throughout the State of Florida?

GOVERNOR: I don't know whether it will create similar cities like

St. Augustine, but if we may judge by history it will create cammunities
like Harlem, because yOu see in New York they already have a civil
rights bill and the product of it seems to be Harlem. Now, I don't
know much about Harlem and I must confess to you I have never been

there and therefore I don't speak with any expertise at all. I read

a week ago in one of the national magazines a report by a man that has

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'spent many months there purporting to be a report of injustices and
discrimination there and I tell you that if the civil rights bill
creates a Harlem in Florida it won't be good for our state nor any of
.its people.

.ANNOUNCER: The lady in the second row with the white dress.

QUESTION: (I am Happy Hicks of Miami cons) I would like to know if
you, as Governor, are going to propose to the Florida Legislature that

they write up and adopt their own civil rights bill in order to avoid

compliance with the federal civil rights bill?
GOVERNOR: No. At the present time I have no purpose to do that.

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Now, let me say several things of a qualifying nature. First of all,
. I haven't read the bill. I haven't studied it. I haven't had a chance
to discuss it with other persons upon whom I would rely for advice
in this matter -- with legislative leaders, and so forth. And,
3therefore, any answer I give to your question has to be strictly
qualified as being very tentative. At the present time I have no
'such intention.
ANNOUNCER: Returning now to our panel here is Mr. Sobin.
SOBIN: Governor, could you give us a tentative idea -- as you said
is tentative -- on what effect the civil rights bill will have on the

State of Florida?

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:OOVERNOR: I wish I knew that. This portion of Senator Dirkaen's

amendment that I have had the opportunity to review, of course,

be referred to some committees of -- I forget the name or it --
cosperative efforts and try for a period of sixty days to secure
compliance under that provision. Now, if this is done and if it is

b provides that first of all when complaints are made they are going to
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If peOple resist it and are not susceptible to that, then the matter
will go into the federal courts and with all the results that we
have come to expect from that action.
SOBIN: Governor, as a result of last week's supreme court decision
most knowledgeable persons, including yourself, are convinced that
the Florida reapportionment plan will be declared unconstitutional.
Now under these circumstances, is it not incumbent upon the governor
morally, if not legally, to call a special session to provide for a
newly elected 1965 legislative body which will be based upon ecual
representation for all the peOple of Florida?
GOVERNOR: First of all, as to the moral aspect of it, the Supreme
Court said in the Colorado, Delaware, the Virginia and a number of
other cases before which it decided on, that there was no duty at
this time, that the district court could in its good Judgment give
further time -- so until the decision in the Florida case and we
know its exact terms of the decree, I wOuld not honestly be able to
answer that question for you.

ANNOUNCER: Thank you very much, gentlemen.

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'GOVERNOR:

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SILVER:
full cenfidence in St. Jonns County Sheriff L. 0. Davis.

Governor Bryant, a week ago you expressed what you called
Since then
you issued an executive order banning night demonstrations and you
placed St. Augustine law enforcement under state control. Does
this mean your confidence in Davis' effectiveness has diminished?
Hell, only part of your statement was correct. I have not

placed the St. Johns County law enforcement under state control. If

~you refer, as I think you do, to the order issued by me on June 15--

.a proclamation--that order provided that there should be established

a state police force and that this force would have certain
responsibilities not normal to it, including the preservation of peace
in St. Johns COunty. It did not relate to the sheriff or the chiefs
of police of the municipalities, other than to say that they shOuld
make reports in such instances of arrests and other proceedings
relative to those arrested to the head of the state police force there.

So it is--if I may get back to your basic question-~does this mean

.that my confidence in Sheriff Davis has been effected? Basically, the

law enforcement in every community Ought to be left to local officials.
I have tried to move on the basis of supplementing that law enforcement
and insuring if I could that peace and order could be preserved in

St. Johns County while the peeple work out as best they could their
local problems.

SILVER: How long do you think that the curfew yOu imposed yesterday
-- how long do you think that will be effective?

GOVERNOR: I would anticipate that if we are

Probably not very long.
successful, as we were last evening, in stopping disorder by the

enforcement of a curfew that tactics will be changed and disorders or
attempted disorders will take place at other times. In that case we

will have to do something else -- whatever the occasion calls for.

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SILVER: Do you contemplate using the National Guard in any of these?
GOVERNOR: No. At the present time I have no thought of using the
National Guard. I do not at this time see the necessity for it.

SOBIN: Governor Bryant, if the public officials and community leaders
of St. Augustine had acted in a more responsible manner, created a
biracial commission for example, might not a great deal of the racial
difficulties have been avoided?

GOVERNOR: well, of course, you have given yOur own definition of
responsible conduct. I am sure that all of us can look back and see
mistakes on all sides in the St. Augustine situation, going back to

the shootings that wereoccurring a year ago and the various meetings

in the area that were extremely incendiary of public opinion. But I

am not interested in looking back at this time to place the blame on
anybody. My task is to insure that peace and order is preserved so

far as I can so that they may work cut solutions for the future.

SOBIN: In that case, maybe we can turn to a question about the future.
Certainly the TV reports and the portrayals of the St. Augustine

racial turmoil seem to reveal a good deal of manhandling both of whites
and Negroes. This type of adverse publicity is a reflection on all
Florida and is definitely not conducive to attracting either tourists
or industry. Now, aside from the police actions which you have taken
to prevent violence and injury and the like, what positive action

so to speak are available to yOu to step in and clarify the situation?
GOVERNOR: There are really not too many things that are on the
positive side available to me. My purpose throughOut this administration
--and up until not it has been reasonably successful in that Florida
has been able to avoid much to the strife that has characterized many

of the states of the nation in all sections-~has been to preserve a

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climate for law and order in which local people could work cut their
problems. As I view this problem regardless of everything we in
government do the solution has got to be on a man-to-man basis,
where a man of one race or one creed meets a man of another race or
creed how does he react? We can, or course, enforce a climate in
which no violence will exist, but the positive part or the solution
has got to come from these individuals ultimately. And I have
restricted myself to try to keep the climate.
SILVER: Well, in other words you could order a biracial committee
to convene if you wanted to, is that right?
GOVERNOR: Oh, yes, and I could also lead a horse to water, but I
couldn't make him drink. I can force a biracial committee together
and I could write their report for them as far as that is concerned,
but this wouldn't accOmpliBh anything. When, and if, the peeple or
that community, in a state of law and order which I intend with all
the authority that has been given to me by the people or Florida to
enforce, arrive at a conclusion that they want to do these things
they can be done. But in this area or personal relationship I don't
think I could make the horse drink-~as it were--and I don't think I
can make them live together in harmony.
SOBIN: If I might dwell for a minute upon the analogy of "leading
the horse to water," you can provide the stream. I mean it seems
to me in that sense that local law enforcement to a large extent has
broken down and while I can see a reluctance to step in under most
circumstances there comes a time when a situation becomes critical
enough that one has to step in. ObviOusly, you felt that way when
you ordered this ban, when you sent in state police and so on --

why not then carry this a step further and create an environmental

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setting where something positive may come out of the thing?
GOVERNOR: Dr. Sobin, there is one thing that you overlook -- really
and truly yOu see a large part of the problem comes from people who
come into Florida and say, "I'm going there to break the law." Now
they say, "we don't like the law, we think it's unjust and therefore
we don't abide by it," but really what is happening is that people
are coming into Florida with the avowed purpose of breaking laws that
as of this moment are constitutional and that I'm sworn to uphold.
Now we have tried as we went into St. Augustine not to go in there to
take over from the local government the function of protecting motels
or restaurants or things of this kind. We have tried to preserve the
peace and leave the normal functioning of this sort to local officials.
It's not always possible. The local people, of course, want us to do
that. They want for the most part for us to come in there and protect
the restaurants and the motels and the swimming pools and all these
things from being involved and this is my duty under my oath to uphold
the law, but we're trying to take on enough of the local load so that
the local officials can continue to perform this part. If I were to
move in with the purpose of strictly enforcing the law the first thing
I would have to do, of caurse, would enforce it against those who
have come in with a purpose of violating the law. And while this
might solve the problem for the moment, in most states it hasn't been
a long range solution: and I prefer to move in and establish a climate
under which local peeple can work out local problems. I think that
the people of that community under normal circumstances and in view
of the changes that have taken place can reach an accommodation among

themselves, but not while violence is going on or not while people

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are coming in and saying "we demand, we are in here from Atlanta

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or New York and we demand that you do so and so." It has been my
legislative experience of a number of years that I seldom got people
to do things I wanted them to do on the basis of demand. You create
conditions that make them want to do it and then they go ahead and
do it.
SILVER: You referred to normal circumstances, Just what would normal
circumstances be?
GOVERNOR: Peace and order. No violence. The kind of circumstances
under which men can sit down and reason together. This is what I call
it. In a society such as ours we can't resolve our problems in the
streets. Now there are lots of nations in the world that do resolve
them there and governments turn over and over, but in a civilized
nation we have got to solve them within civilized institutions that
have been established over a thousand years or lose that society.
Now if we fail to solve them in our civilized institutions we fail as
a civilization. It is not enough to say, "well, we have failed so we
will go do it by violence." This is the ultimate failure, and the
great value we have got to preserve is the ability of men to resolve
their differences which are inherent in society and which won't be
finished when we finish with St. Augustine, within the framework of
the civilized structure under which we live.
SILVER: Since this St. Augustine situation has been in the news
lately, have yoo been in touch with the U. S. Attorney General's office
-- have they been in tOuch with you?
GOVERNOR: No. I keep in touch on virtually a daily basis with the
White House and we have a very good relation and a continuing relation
with the RBI, which of course is an arm of the Attorney General's
office, but so far as the Attorney General's legal staff and the

Attorney General, himself; no I have not.

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SOBIN: Governor Bryant, I would concur with your point or view that
violence in the streets is not a solution, but are you giving the
Negroes any other alternative -- I don't mean you personally -- is
there any other alternative available for the Negroes when peOple
refuse to sit down and negotiate in a civilized manner. I mean I would
agree that this is the way to do it, but it this alternative is fore-
closed do you not compel the disorderly means of trying to arrive at

a solution?

GOVERNOR: Hell, I don't know. I have for a long time disagreed with
lots or laws on our books. I disagree with lots of then that are on
there now, and I haven't been able to do anything about it, but I
haven't been in the streets rioting about it. Secondly, as I understand
it, for the last several months and these last several years the
congress has been considering this thing -- a democratic procedure it
you please within civilized institutions. It is my recollection that
they are approaching a conclusion on this matter. Isn't this the way
civilized men solve their problems. Now I disagree with their particular
solution, but that's neither here nor there. The fact or the matter --
this is the way differences are resolved in a society such as ours,

not in the streets, and I don't have any sympathy for those who resort
to the streets.

SILVER: Well, Governor, to get back to one answer that you gave us
about the sheriff's control over the crowds and the rioting, do you
condone or do you agree with the use or night sticks on unarmed
demonstrators and newsmen? Do you feel that this is the way to control

the situation?
GOVERNOR: Hell, of course, each situation has to be reflected in

terms -o let me give you a little illustration for instance: On the

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Jday of the opening of the New York World's Fair where the citizens

of Florida had invested a good deal of money, both through the state

and through private industry that is there, demonstrators came along

and they, after picketing peacefully and not being disturbed and
ichanting and carrying signs and doing all the things that they wanted
!to do and having been unable to close the pavilion in that fashion,

they sat down three and four deep in front of every door to the pavilion
so you couldn't get in or out. I went up to them asked them "would

you mind letting me in?" I was there and I had my wife with me. They

looked at me mutely and would not move. They deprived everyone in the

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world who wanted to go into the Florida pavilion of the right to do so
and they Just sat there. Now yOu have an alternative then you really
have two choices, either you can move them by force or you can leave
them there and let them take over yOur prOperty and that of the people
of the State of Florida. Now I would rather they would have moved upon
being requested, but they didn't. So what do you do? The only thing left
3to do is to grab them and move them or else turn it over to them. Now,
.we are having a program here in the television station -- suppose as I
walked up today I found all your doors blocked by peOple sitting there
.and they say we don't approve of this program, we protest and we are
g gnot going to let anybody go in, we are not going to let the cameramen
: go in, or the reporters go in.

REMARKS: They will do that after the program.
: GOVERNOR: They probably will. They probably will, but now you would

-have an alternative: shall we turn the station over to these people,
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or shall we forcibly remove them? Now, that is frequently the problem

which you face. In the situation in St. Augustine some of the

demonstrators were hopping into a private pool - it is the law in

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'title to it -- yOu ask them to come Out, they won't come out.

imust be forced to do it.

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They
are committing trespass, they are violating the law. What do you say

oh, well, I wish you wouldn't, but you have my prOperty now
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to them:

and I will go off somewhere else. Or do you remove them by force.

this is a civilized nation, the normal processes must be preserved, the

law must be observed. And those who will not observe it upon request,
Now, I am confident that in St. Augustine
there have been many mistakes made by law enforcement officers, state
and local, and I regret every one of them, but keep in mind, please,
without excusing anybody for malice or maliciOus things that they did
there ~- and I know that some of that went on too ~o that by and large
these fellows are there because they are told to go there. They are
not trained for this, because who in Florida is trained for it, they are
doing the best they know how to do, they get excited, most of them are
young, they make mistakes -- if they had time to think I am sure they
would do it differently -- but they are trying to preserve our
{civilization in the process.

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Court Judge Bryan Simpson ruled that the ban against night demonstrations

One other question on the St. Augustine matter: 0. 8. District

by the St. Augustine officials was unconstitutional and that it was a

violation of freedom of speech and assembly. Why would your executive

order banning the vary same thing not also be unconstitutional as a
deprivation of a freedom of speech and assembly?

Well, of course, the Governor of Florida has a primary

This is fundamental.

GOVERNOR:

responsibility to preserve peace and order. If
nyou don't have law and order, you can't have freedom of the press or
freedom of speech or any other freedom. Basically, you have got to

have this. The constitution and the statutes say that the governor

shall determine when and what is necessary to be done to preserve that.




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-14If : earle ree-st it arrl :rc not suceptible to that, then the matter 711-e intO -.ie re-ler-il courtr. an1 o'.th all the realt:that we -.s.-s -...:.:-.0 to e:-:-.cai :'ram ':hiit acts on Cli-O'ler.!r-l', --1, O re:-u~jt Of" 12~'t McCk'E CUpre["C COurt .lcC2 riOI~.30' .-.1.ow~le!'--:rl 10 lefrOD:', 3031".:'|1:1, ~--DilrCClf, ErC cDDVir-C-l thOG [.|)c .0?$1.10 3-2;.5 OrliO.1[aCill j.llil -di~.~~DG .10C10.-"011 2.00rr.titUtiO'IGI o'..or t!.e: !~ :'.1-91.:r..lt21-OdC, 13 3 1~:03 inC'.:Irtent 1]pora thC PoVeri:Gr .or -, i r 1.0'.. -.--511:, to onl2 :: r::::ecial r.ecolor, to provide for a .e-.. --:2 cate;1 1 -le': rlnti yr120:!:: which will be h:-:rer! -,:r;O erial -en--.-:-r-::tat3c:. :':,:all thr people or b'ionado? Out ---! tt:a 'oloorio, -)em.:are, tt:e Virginia ard a r:1:sber er a : rer er ''ore w-ni-;n it loos -ic.:i on, that there wm no -luty at ni 7. -;10, the'. : ht al.-tri ct coi:rt -:Guld 171 itr good .1u'igme:lt ;-l'ic ---.irte:er t3nc --:a ur.t '. -'. he ;lecj r j on 3:a the Florldo conc nr.d v:e -1:o-. -: e::aat to:s o:' the -!cerne 1 would not honer tly be able to -150-: -: r thOt 9'ic:-.t 01-. Gir --OU ..:W-.-';G2;:.: Taa:.|. ::Gu -:cr much, gentler:en.

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Governor Bryant, a week a fidence in St. Johns Count cd ar: erceutjve order bann t. Augur.tjne law enforceme n your ::Onf'i:ience in Dav3 r:

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ILEEE: Do you contemplate using the Nationat Juar 13VERNOR: No. At tae present time I have no thoug fat t or.31 Guard. I do not at this tino see the nece .OPil:: Governer Dryant, if the public officials an ,f .-t, Augu.stine had acted in a more responcible na ::iro.:ial commic Dior. for e::anple, might not a great ef:'.r:lties have been avoided? iGVht:JCS: Well, of course, you have giver. your own ecctona jble con luot. I av sure that all of un can nistokee on a]] sjdes in the St. Augustine situation the Rootjngr. tur:t werC-occurring a year ago and the !n the area that were extremely incendlary of publi am r.ot interested in looking tack at this time to p :..ytod;. .My rm:k is to in:mre that peace and order car ,c I een zo that they say work out r.olutions fo 30P13: ]n that elle, nelybe we can turn to a questi Jertatr:]y the TV reportn and the portrayals of the reo1s! turno11 :eem to revyal a good deal of manhan 3:jd :..groec .112 type of adverse publicity 1r: a r aLor'de ard it eer !:a te 'y not conducive to attracti r1:Cattr'y .712::, :n:ade fro:n the polj cc actions wh so pre-:ent vioJener(1rd irdury and the like, what p to to rpeak are available to you to step in and cla FUEri~i: There are re:al]:not too many things the lositive -aide available to me, My purpose through

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uld also lead a horse to water, but T can f'orce a biracial committee together rt for them as far as that is concerned arjything. When, and if, the people of law arid order which 3 interid with all Sven to me by the people of F3or!da tc

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where romething positive nay come out of the thing? R: Dr. Sobin, there is one thing that you overlook ly -jou acc a .orce part ofthe problem comes from pcc to Florda nnd say, 'l 'm coing there to brcok the lan y, "we -ior 't, like the law, we thjnt it'r u'ust ard t t abide b: St, but really what ir happeninri la that int: 11.to Flori do riith the favored r uppose of breakirc MI: maner.t :ire son,:t3 tuti pna!. -ir.d that I'm rworn to e

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|13VU I'Or a 1006 tiffle rij 33E L POC U. til IOtG Of UllCEL tila ] L" tG 110 OfL-fibing 20005 i t Jt 21[Ol'Ollt i t .IICCOldl'j, afl 3 3;-,d Uw''e 1351 ::everE:1 7091-2 T. -T.hil c' --A :"O-10f'Pati(' 1 PO

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uey ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 1 Tftel-nn fte e okUrdrFirweetectzn of boria h:1 1~deteda god dal f moeybot th-th he taI

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titl-l' Lo it -/D'.. DGk thMR to come out, they won't 00110 out Thr: :se ::om,.ittini -:,set:1 nr t.hey are vi ol ativ.g the las .What :Jo you ray ---o i ::a; oh, :011, I :.' 0:1 :fou wouldn i t bi..t you have m:: i rol-ert on :::1 I :G1 go ';fl ;-ome:here else. Or do yo-.1 verlove them by force. ]f -..r:17 'l a civ'l 7.ed und o! the tional |-roccrece :wat be pror.orved, the N --: t te 01-'023:1. -n. there who vill not observe it ei on recluest, r:2:t I.. force-! -.a do it. Now, I ain conf3.1ent that in St. Augustiric he -! ave tor..:^.::n:: :13:! r tekca code by law eraforce-ner.t offleerc ::.tate nd I'':n] cln.: -Per]Pcici'cry 01:0 of tilCm, but I:cep in '-id, | 10800, '.lit::.3.:t OKCUCI! EL:yhOGy for maliCE Or naliciCU:: thjr.gE that they did taa:--an1 i r o tig:t come of that went en too -that I.y and large Lt .. "Nlows "I 'o therc tenure they are told to go there. They are t.>t 2'.:: ned for thic 1e::auce who ir: Florida ir trere:i for j t, the;; arn r.-: the tect 2..-;. knew now to do, they get c::cited, most of them are youl they ma o :1.'ataher, -3f they bed tjric to thJnk I an cure they 9.ou. -; :o it dj ''forer.tl;, --but they are tryir.g to frecerve our .: 1-7111::03105 1:. t!-.e proueC:. .:0EI-:: One ot:wr anectiora on the St. Iluguatine matter: U. S. Djetr$et Cour' -tige Br 3:n empron :mtJed that the bar. ngajnst n1Eht de:nonetratione t t:.e St. isugirtlac ofMetale was unconr.titutional and that :t wac a ol. I '. i oli of F-Tenoill of rp 'leCa ::Ei(i flSEA"rl1317. h'[ VJoUld gol:r (30011('ive der eannsng si:e -:ary: ::arle thing not allo be unconttitutt01:31 as o -deprivntion of :freedo:ri o:' speech and ar.nembly? GOV-.GDE: Wel.', of cource, the Gover:lar of Flor$da har. a frMary reap--:elclljty to preserve peace ar'd order. Thja in 1-uridamer.tal. If you -ior:'t have 19-:1 -md order, you can't have freedom of the prm:s or ''ree !-: of screen or 'ir:-other freedom. E'enjer!]ly, you have got to have tMs. The com:titiition and the otatutes any that the governor rahall icterinine eer! amt what irs necennary to be done to prescroc thet.