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NEWS CONFERENCE
GOVERNOR FARRIS BRYANT
TALLAHASSEE
JUNE 13, 1963
NEWSMEN PARTICIPATING: vernon Bradford, TAMPA TRIBUNE; Robert R.
Delaney, ORLANDO SENTINEL-STAR; Barbara Frye, UNITED PRESS
INTERNATIONAL; David Gretsch, CAPITAL BUREAU NEWS; usurice Harling,
PENSACOLA NEWS JOURNAL; Charles Resser, MIAMI NERS; John NcDermott,
MIAMI HERALD: Allen Morris, CRACKER POLITICS; Steve Prentice, FLORIDA
BROADCAST NEWS; Tom Baker, INSIDE POLITICS; Doug Starr, ASSOCIATED
PRESS; Ray Starr, ABC RADIO; George Thurston, NFLA, WJXT: John Turner,
WFGA, WTVJ; Glenn Tomlinson, PREELANCE.
GOVERNOR: Good morning.
SEVERAL: Good morning, Governor.
GOVERNOR: I am very pleased to tell you that I have received word from
Governor Tawes that they have Just completed the formation of a very
broadly based citizens' committee to assist in the handling of the
resettlement of Cuban refugees. This is only one instance of
activities that are being undertaken by governors all over the nation
as a result of the impetus given through the National Governors'
Conference. I am very hopeful that this one, as the others, will be
effective in helping us handle that problem. I am pleased with the
very wide understanding of the seriousness of the problem here and
the desire to help.
R.STARR: What state is that?
GOVERNOR: Maryland.
ERIE: Governor, what is his first name?
GOVERNOR: Millard.
HESSER: Governor, the feeling upstairs is that they can't raise any
170 or 175 million dollars and perhaps they should go home for a
while and think it over. Nhat are your views on that?
GOVERNOR: I think they should stay here and think it over. Going
home is not going to do anything but postpone the problem and make it
more difficult. There is no reason why they cannot raise the necessary
funds at this extended session without such a recess, and I anticipate
that they will be able to do so.
HESSER: What do you consider the necessary funds?
GOVERNOR: If no move is made to put the educational trust fund
preposal on the ballot this November, $168 million in addition to
those that were included in the estimate of existing taxes prepared
by the Comptroller and Budget Director dated May 31. If we shift
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situation and from 1958 down to today from state primary funds there
has gone into the Jacksonville Expressway $22 million. And this, of
course, is a vast sum and this is in addition to money that had been
expanded as I indicated a moment ago in.Duval County. we have
additional plans for construction in Duval County, because of course
its needs are great. It is the gateway to Florida and we want to
help the people of that community to keep it that way. It has earned
that reputation and we want to see that it stays that way. Right now,
for instance, or as of yesterday and I suppose still, Road Board
Member Ralph Powers; and Road Board.Member Billy Mayo, who handles our
interstate, are in Georgia conferring with Mr. 011118, the chairman
of the Georgia Road Board. Yesterday they were over on the east
coast of Georgia meeting with the east coast counties there trying to
promote the expenditure of large additional sums on 1-95 on the east
coast, which is so important to Jacksonville and the whole east coast
of Florida. We are trying to get them to eXpedite their activities
there so that we can fruitfully expedite our activities here. Now,
we have already, of course, acquired right-of-way on 1-95 from
Jacksonville south. We are in the process of acouiring rightof~way
from Jacksonville north on 1095. The engineering is underway. The
money is in the budget for the next year for the acQuisition of these
rights-of-way. Of course, the east~weat facilities have been put in
good condition. North and south facilities will be by this. I really
am puzzled to know the context of the discontent. I only can say that
the gentleman's misinformation was so gross as to lead him to
conclusions which have no contact with reality.
FREE: Who said it?
GOVERNOR: Mr. Roger Main.
McDERMOTT: Governor, going back to Governor Tawea, does he indicate
how many refugees Maryland expects to take or might be able to handle?
GOVERHOR: No. He merely called to let me know that they had organized
this committee and that it was a real blue ribbon committee and that
we could expect some effective action out of it. I think he would
probably welcome inquiries, Mr. McDermott.
McDERHOTT: Have any other governors indicated the creation of similar
committees?
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GOVERNOR: I have received letters from governors and telephone calls
and, or course, the literature or the National Governors' Conference
indicating that they were proceeding in this direction, but I haven't
gotten this affirmative a response before that I recall.
TURNER: Governor, would you comment on either the progress or any
other aspect of the investigation of Judge Culbreath in Miami or the
Juvenile Court down there?
GOVERNOR: I have received the newspaper reports of Judge Culbreaths
activities and that of others in connection with him, but this is all
that I have received up until this time. Judge Culbreath called
yesterday to assure me that if I wished to investigate he would be
delighted to come up and asked for the privilege of talking with me
before I took any action. And this I assured him would, of course,
be done.
TURNER: Hasnt your office already ordered an investigation, Governor?
GOVERNOR: It might have, but I do not know or it.
BRADFORD: Have you made any decision on an appointment for hr.
Gilkerson's post in Pinellas County?
GOVERNOR: No.
BRADFORD: Do you intend to soon?
GOVERNOR: Hope to do so today.
BRADFORD: Is Mr. Clyde Keys under consideration?
GOVERNOR: I think we have got a stack of recommendations that high
(gesture) and I think Mr. Keys' name is among them.
THURTD : What is the status or the vacancy created by the temporary
ouapunzion of Judge Kelly?
GOVERNOR: I am not sure. The Constitution provides that it is
incumbent upon the Governor when an officer is removed to immediately
-- "shall immediately" -- appoint an "incumbent," whatever that is,
as successor. There is a local statute that provides that one circuit
Judge must reside in Pasco County. There is a problem with 19 of the
attorneys signing a petition, our of 23 in the county, for his
suspension. It does not appeal to me, and no one of them has sought
appointment in his place, but that narrows the field or Pasco
Countians considerably. And so far as I know, the other Four dont
want the Job. Research is being done by Mr. Moyle or my staff at this
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time to find out in which direction we can move, because there is a
need to do so. But I dont know how within the limits of the statute
and the constitution and the equitable situation relating to, as it
were, the prosecuting witnesses that I can move.
HESSER: Would you feel obligated to appoint a Republican since the
people elected a Republican to that office, Governor?
GOVERNOR: No.
D.STARR: Could you appoint an outsider and make him live there for
six months?
GOVERNOR: If he were willing to establish his residence there, I
think that you could. But, of course, if he is going to be a Judge
and he says that is his residence, I want him to be honest about it.
I don't want a fictitious situation and I dont want to tell somebody
"how about coming in for three months and taking over and tell a story
about your being a resident."
FRYE: Couldn't the slack be taken up -- I mean can't the Pinellas
County circuit Judges sit in Peace County?
GOVERNOR: Yes, and there is a possibility -- well, they could but
they are not residents of Peace County.
FRYE: I mean they could hold court there?
GOVERNOR: Yes, but the law requires that we have one who is a
resident or Pasoo.
PRYE: What is Pasco County's recommendation on it? Do you have one
from them?
GOVERNOR: No, I don't. The delegation feels that the appointed Judge
ought not to be one of the attorneys who are prosecuting witnesses.
But they have made no affirmative recommendations in that regard.
HARLING: Can't the court system solve the problem itself by assigning
one?
GOVERNOR: It can, but than I don't carry out my constitutional duty
or "shall immediately appoint an incumbent."
D.STARR: Of course, you could study the problem until September.
couldn't you?
GOVERNOR: Yes, air, but that wouldn't be my usual interpretation of
immediate.
0.8TARR: It might take you that long to come up with a --
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COVERNOR: It could be done. The circuit Judges of Pinellae County,
however, have already been on the telephone and by mail imploring
me to act with great speed, indicating a considerable urgency.
HESSER: Have you considered appointing a Republican?
GOVERNOR: I have in the sense that I have considered appointing any
qualified man, but I haven't reached any conclusions about anybody.
ERIE: Yen have never appointed a Republican to office, have you?
(laughter)
GOVERNOR: well, let me see, I would say so.
FRVE: I can't remember any.
GOVERNOR: I am still looking for a good one maybe. (laughter)
FRYE: You have appointed Democrats to succeed Republicans like on
County Commissions.
GOVERNOR: Yes. I don't really recall whether I have or not.
TRURSTON: Could the Pasco County legislative delegation pass a local
bill perhaps giving you relief on that matter?
GOVERNOR: That is being considered. Yes, sir.
PRYE: In what form?
GOVERNOR: In the form of not requiring one of the Judges to be a
resident or Pasco County, and then I could appoint anyone else you
see to do that.
BAKER: Heuld any of the members of the Pasco County delegation be
eligible for or interested in the appointment?
GOVERNOR: I don't know whether they are eligible for. I do know they
are not interested in.
HARLING: Governor, to get back to this tax situation o- how far along
would it have to go with no decision before the administration would
step in and try to bring all forces together under one plan?
GOVERNOR: It depends on the psychology of the thing, Mr. Harling.
There are times when a governor can move with force and effect and
there are times when he merely arouses opposition. And one of the
difficult parts of this Job is waiting until the moment when you can
move and --
BARLING: That moment has not arrived yet?
GOVERNOR: No, I think it has not and I hope that it wont come as a
matter of fact. I hope it won't be necessary, because I have spilled
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enough blood already during this session. (laughter) But you know
that when you are dealing with other people, sometimes you push and
all you do is get a bent elbow out of it. And other times they
welcome your cooperation and you can add force to what they are doing.
GRETSCH: Governor, do you know what the status of the turnpike audit
is?
GOVERNOR: No, I don't. What is it?
GRETSCH: Do you know how many men they have got working on it down
there?
GOVERNOR: No, I don't.
GRETSCH: Do you know how long it will be before it is completed?
GOVERNOR: No, sir, I don't.
Are there other questions?
SEVERAL: Thank you, Governor.
GOVERNOR: Thank you.
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the educational trust fund proposal to the ballot in November, of
course assuming that both it and the bond program are adopted by the
people in November, $158 million.
FREE: What happens then it the people don't vote the bond program
and vote down the trust fund, do you have to have a special session?
GOVERNOR: Unless other taxes produce an unprecedented amount of
revenue, yes.
328823: You couldn't shift funds possibly to do an adequate Job for
less than $158 million?
GOVERNOR: Yes, you can. That is a balanced budget. That $156 million
under the circumstances that I have indicated would allow us to meet
every obligation or the state adopted by this Legislature.
HESSER: Well, what would you think would be a rock bottom figure to
put in new taxes that you could get by on?
GOVERNOR: I can't give you that figure. I can give you the experience
or this year. We have, in fact, expended some $21 million less than
was appropriated. Now that is a variable which we cannot entirely
control -- part of it comes from a failure in this particular instance
or average daily attendance to grow as rapidly as was anticipated at
the time of the '61 session. or course, it is also effected somewhat
by the freeze and by the Cuban crisis and things or that kind. I would
not think you have to balance it right on the head, but nobody can
tell what a rock bottom figure is. I can't tell.
HEBSBR: Has it $21 million for the your or for the biennium?
GOVERNOR: For the biennium.
MOON: Did you say the failure or the ADA to grow?
GOVERNOR: As rapidly as-wss predicted, that's correct.
morass: Governor, the legislature is working on into 1111111011 in new
taxes -- that's still $18 million under the $158 million you Just
mentioned. If they come up with that, then what?
GOVERNOR: Well, it all depends again. There are certain other
variables. If they were to extend the permission to utilize the
working capital fund or $3 million and extend the provisions for the
application or the net rather than the gross figures to the intangibles
tax that would take care or $13 million. These are other variables
that will effect gross amount required.
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HESSBR: Now your original new tax figure was $125 million.
GOVERNOR: That is correct.
HESSER: Do you still think that would meet the --
GOVERNOR: No, I don't.
HESSER: 'hat has happened during the interim?
GOVERNOR: They have adopted a lot more appropriations than I indicated
were necessary. The appropriations bill is significantly over the
Budget Commission recommendations and significantly over the Budget
Commission recommendations plus the recommendations I made in my
message. That is over the combination or it.
FREE: Are you taking any part in this fight over the auto tags
licensing?
GOVERNOR: No, I have not so far been involved in that controversy.
FREE: You did not-recommend that tax!
GOVERNOR: no, I thought that the sales tax should be made three per
cent on automobiles and the tag proposal apparently crept in when-
there seemed to be a sentiment to keep the two per cent and then the
other factor was brought into play.
BRADFORD: Do you have any strong opposition to the auto tag increase
that they have been talking about?
GOVERNOR: It all depends. You almost have to see the whole package,
Mr. Bradford, in order to make a decision about that.
EESSER: Do you still prefer the three per cent on autos to the
increase in licenses?
GOVERNOR: Yes.
FREE: Governor, have you any prediction now, based on discussions
with legislators, on when they might get through and go home?
GOVERROR: They can get through this week very easily if they are
ready to. Whether or not they will, you know as well as I. It is
difficult to predict. There is no reason why they shouldn't go home.
this week.
R.3TARR: Governor, speaking of predictions, there have been recurring
predictions again as happened yesterday of an oft-told story that we
have heard here is the Capital about you leaving your post before the
end or your term. I believe your "no comment" statement brought more
comment than was necessary yesterday. Would you like to amplify on
that statement?
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GOVERNOR: well, I thought that would be fuel for the tire because
certainly that adds a lot to the discussion. (laughter) I never
heard of the proposal excapt in the press. I always enjoy reading
about it and look forward to its constant recurrence during the rest
or this term. (laughter)
D.STARR: Governor, have you made any decisions on how you are going
to out the appropriations in the event they don't come up with the
$158 million you asked for?
GOVERNOR: No, Mr. Starr, I have no idea yet. Again, it depends upon
the overall picture. I have been as these various supplemental bills
have been going through, and I am in no position to make a decision
as to whether or not we have the money to finance them, I have been
in many instances calling the chief sponsors of them and notifying
them that although I am permitting them to become law -- usually
without signature -- that this is not to be construed by them as a
commitment that they will ever get the money, because if the Legislaturn
doesn't some up with a balanced proposal some of these supplemental
appropriations, as well as others, will have to be lapped off. And
I Just didn't want anybody unnecessarily led into a delusion or
security because it becomes a law.
D.STARR: When do you intend to appoint -- on anothere subJect -- the
public defenders?
GOVERNOR: Just as soon as I have the time to sit down and work on
those. They are going to be very difficult to do. be are receiving
a great volume of recommendations and as soon as we can sit down and
consider the whole package we will do it. I would say that within
a few days at the moat after the Legislature goes home.
R.STARR: You will appoint them en masse, Governor?
GOVERNOR: In all probability. 1 will try to.
DELANEY: Do you have any plans to make any appointments to the new
offices that were created by this session, Governor, anytime soon or
are you going to wait until they go home for all of them?
GOVERNOR: Well, I had originally planned to wait until they went
home. or course, the laws become effective July l-- (laughter)
DELANEY: Can we interpret that as being an expression or pessimism
on your part?
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GOVERNOR: No, but I dont think wuth the certainty that I did at one
time about that subject matter. (laughter)
FRYE: Do you plan to meet with any of the legislators and try to
push them home? Aid them in their battles? (laughter)
GOVERNOR: I spoke last evening with the President of the Senate and
he indicated a desire to get together with the Speaker and myself in
order to arrive at some determination of when they should conclude
the session. I am not initiating that, but of course I will be glad
to talk with them about it.
HESSER: A move may be made upstairs today to out of: their $25 a day
expense allowance. Do you think that might urge them to go home a
little sooner?
GOVERNOR: I would be the last to suggest that they would be influenced
by that.
BRADFORD: Governor, there have been some comments by some legislators
to the effect that they had noted you had only opposed the idea of
a sales tax on groceries, but have not indicated that you would oppose
it to the extent of veto. Is that a correct assumption on their part?
GOVERNOR: I have never said that I would vote it. However, I have
always pointed out that I don't make preliminary threats or veto and
I don't think you can conclude from that that, therefore, I wouldn't.
(laughter)
0.5mm: why did you ask that?
THURSTON: There is another rumor for you to write up, Vernon.
GOVERNOR: I really wasn't trying to be evasive, but merely to say
that here is my policy -- not to make preliminary statements about
"I am going to veto a bill," because it always evokes an undesirable
response and, therefore, I simply don't say that.
BRADFORD: Are you strongly Opposed to the grocery tax?
GOVERNOR: Yes.
MoDERMOTT: Governor, it the Legislature were able to resurrect the
unpledged elector bill and were to pass it, what would be your
position on that?
GOVERNOR: Rot. That is something I have to take up.
McDERMOTT: Hell, hot in the sense that you rather like the bill or
that you don't care very much for it.
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OOVERNOR: Hot in the sense that it would put me on a hot spot. or
course, I live there anyway, but it would be a rather warn position
to be on politically.
BAKER: Governor, have you had any word at all on the decision on the
Democratic National Convention?
GOVERNOR: No, I have no official word. I continue to hear rumors --
less favorable rumors than I was previously hearing but they are all
still rumors. I have no word from anybody of authority or who
purports to have spoken to anybody or authority.
BAKER: Do these rumors resolve around the Cuban situation?
GOVERNOR: Yes, largely.
BRADFORD: Do you have any Knowledge, Governor, from the Road
Department about the report in the paper this morning about a change
in designers on 1-75?
GOVERNOR: I read the article this morning and this was my first
knowledge of it. I want to talk to Mr. Cason about it, because we
are anxious, of course, that -- and I know he is more anxious than
anybody that it go ahead with all speed. I did not know it was going
to be done and I don't know the reasons for it, nor do I know what its
effect will be, other than as I read in the paper.
DELANEY: Governor, in your conversation last evening with the Senate
President did the idea of the Legislature going home at the end or
this week with the tax problem still unsolved and than coming back
later some up?
GOVERNOR: No, it did not.
DELANEY: Do you think this would be a desirable move?
GOVERNOR: I think it would be very undesirable.
DELANEY: Do you think there is some sentiment for doing this?
GOVERNOR: Well, I really don't know. No legislator has mentioned this
to me. I have read about it from time to time. It may be in the
category of my resignation, interesting, if true. (laughter)
HORRIS: Did you discuss that at this conference?
GOVERNOR: No. As a matter or fact that was not brought up. Nobody
has ever mentioned it to me, except to some up with a newspaper and
ask me if it were true. Some of them wistfully and some of them
otherwise. (laughter)
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McDERMOTT: Have you ever discussed that situation with Senator
Carraway?
GOVERNOR: Not with anybody, neither Senator Smathera, nor President
Kennedy, nor Mr. Carrauay, nor Mr. Horne --
D.STARR: Justice Douglas?
GOVERNOR: Justice Douglas, anyone.
BRADFORD: Governor, what is Eugene Licata's status now with the
Barber Commission?
GOVERNOR: He was acquitted, I read this morning.
BRADFORD: He is still suspended, though?
GOVERNOR: He has been suspended and his suspension, as I recall, was
sustained by the Senate and, therefore, he is out as or now. However,
the Barber Board has been reorganized and completely new appointments
will be made. So I think his status is a moot question.
FRIE: I didn't know it was ever sustained by the Senate. I thought
they kept --
BRADFORD: With the recommendation, I believe, to you that you re-
suspend him.
GOVERNOR: I think he was suspended, but I forget Just what the
semantics of it was.
D.STARR: They recommended you re-suspend after they reinstated him.
FRYE: They reinstated him two or three times.
BRADFORD : Yes .
GOVERNOR: Oh, they have?
BRADFORD: And you keep re-suspending him. But in any case they are
all in a state of limbo anyway because of the reorganization of the
Board.
RARER: Any further questions, Governor?
GOVERNOR: Yes, there are. (laughter)
BAKER: Governor, I think you answered this possibly in Miami last
week, but I did not get it on film. Cauld you explain exactly what
procedure you plan to go through in promoting the sale of the
constitutional amendment on the bond program?
GOVERNOR: Well, we have not worked out any campaign to do so. I, or
course, expect to do all that I personally can to insure that the
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Voting public understands the full implications of what we are about
to do -- the reasons for it - and with the hope that at the November
elections they will favorably support it. I am hopeful, however, that
this burden will not be left entirely to me. I assume that it won't.
I have had approaches by many individuals around the state who want
to form a committee -- a citizens committee of sorts -- to promote
this proposal so that we can move ahead.
DELAHBY: Will you, also, promote the other two constitutional
amendments?
GOVERNOR: Now, the recreational bond program certainly I will support.
What is the other one you are talking about?
DELANBY: The off-year elections for cabinet officers?
GOVERNOR: I am not familiar with that one. I actually have never
read that. In any event, I don't consider it in the same context
that I do these first two. These first two in my Judgment are truly
emergency measures.
BAKER: Governor, in view of the fact that the ofroyear election thing
could allow the cabinet next year to run for a two-year term and then
run to succeed themselves for a four-year term, does this equally
apply for an incumbent running to succeed himself for a two~year term?
GOVERNOR: I never read it, so I really dont know.
BAKER: If that was so, I mean could you run for a two-year term?
GOVERNOR: I wish I could tell you, but I don't know. I believe,
however, that the question is largely academic.
McDEOTT: Governor, what are the mechanics involved in getting this
educational trust fund on the ballot in November?
GOVERNOR: A bill is being promoted through the Legislature now to
establish an election on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in
November. That is the total mechanics of it.
McuERHOTT: Can you tell whether it has been acted on in either
house?
GOVERNOR: No, I don't. He Just ut it in the Senate on Monday, I
believe.
FREE: The house killed it once?
GOVERHOR: To set up the election? I was not aware or it.
DBLAHBY: The Senate passed it.
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GOVERNOR: I don't think there-will be any problem with it. It is
Just a matter of getting it through.
FREE: No, I thought you were talking about the $16 million.
GOVERNOR: no, we were thinking of actually setting the election in
November. The other was killed.
DELANEY: You said a moment ago, Governor, that the question is largely
academic about whether you could run for two more years. Does this
mean that if you could you would not?
GOVERNOR: It means that at the present time, I have absolutely no
thought of running for any office including that of Governor in l96h.
DELANBY: Does this mean that you are up to here right at the moment?
GOVKRHOR: No. I am enjoying this Job tremendously. I am focusing
on this Job while I have got it and believe me I've got my hands full.
When this Job is done, I will look and see then what next to do. I
have no plans far entering any race on behalf or myself or anybody
else.
THURSTON: Governor, can we interpret that to mean that you will not
resign from the U. 3. Senate to run for a second abbreviated term
on Governor? (laughter)
GOVERNOR: I wouldn't want to go that far. (laughter) I would like
to make one comment about a little matter that occurred in Duval
County the other day where a good friend or mine indicated that too
little money was being spent by this administration in Duval County
on the road program and that this was something that had been
happening for a number of years and that Duval County had been through
the years consistently slighted. It was indicated that only one and
a half million dollars of primary funds had been spent there during
this administration. or course, in approaching this problem I am
always in the difficult situation that when you demonstrate how much
has been spent here somebody hollera "well, that's more than you spent
in our county." As a matter of fact, one project -- the Broad Street
Viaduct -- cost one and a half million and that's underway. The
contract has been let. He have spent in Duval County from our road
funds some eleven millions of dollars on primary and other roads in
the county -- not county money. In addition to that, I would point
out that in 1958 the Jacksonville Expressway was in a bad financial
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