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GOVERNOR FARRIS BRYAN!
TALLAHASSEE, swarm
novmsss 2, 1961
NEWSMEN PARTICIPATING: Robert w. Delaney, THE ORLANDO SEMINEL-STAR;
James Gillespys UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL; Chuck Goetz, FLORIDA
BROADCAST NEWS; David Gretsch, FREE LANCE RADIO; Ovid Lewis, WRFB;
Don Meiklejohm. JOHN H. PERRY PAPERS; Frank Noel, ASSOCIATED PRESS;
harold Parr, ASSOCIATED PRESS; George Prentice, WTVT; George Thurston
FLORIDA BROADCAST NEWS; Rick Tuttle, MIAMI HERALDHST. PETERSBURO
TIMES SERVICE; Martin Waldron, ST. PETERSBURO TIMES-MIARI HERALD
SERVICE; and, in the spectators section, Jerry Mock, FLORIDA TIMES-
UNION.
GOVERNOR: Good morning.
Gentlemen, we approach veteran's Day, November 11th, and
while all of us are conscious of the date on the calendar and all of
us are conscious of the sacrifice and heroism which it symbolizes, we
don't often stop to pay the tribute that we should to those who make
it a reality. An old friend of ours, Cowboy Williams, has, at my
request, taken a substantial responsibility in seeing to it that this
is done. I have asked him to come up here today so that I might
before you present to him, and to the Legion and to our veterans
this proclamation setting November 11, 1961, as veteran's Day in
Florida. Mr. Chairman, I am glad to see you. I am delighted you
are here and appreciate your coming up and appreciate what you are
doing for the veterans and for America.
I will never forget the first time I saw you.ooming down
into the Legislature right after the war. I believe you were still
in service, weren't you?
WILLIAMS : That a right.
GOVERNOR: The only thing -- I believe you were waving the Confederate
Flag instead of the American Flag. (laughter) You were probably
waving both or them about that time. (laughter) Do you have something
you would like to say?
WILLIAMS: Yes, your Excellency, I sure have. I can't tell you how
much I appreciate this appointment as state chairman of Veteran's Day.
It means a lot to me and I will try to do my best to do a good Job
for you. With time running out on us, I respectfully ask the press
if they would ask the Mayors of every town and city in the State of
Florida to proclaim November 11th as Veteran's Day. I brought along
with me my very dear, warm and good close friend, Sam McCollum, not
because he is Department Commander of the American Legion of the
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They would have to pass a new law to do this.
WALDRON: Well, what is it they vote on every two years about student
fees?
GOVEREOR: Well, I don't know.
WALDRON: There was a filibuster in the Senate last session.
GOVERNOR: I suppose you could propose a law to do anything. You
could propose a law to abolish the universities, and they might
filibuster it or debate it. But the fact or the matter is that the
statutes on the books have dedicated as a continuing appropriation
this amount of the student fees for building funds. Well, of course,
they may change it as they might change anything, but they den't have
to vote on it every two years unless they desire to do so.
MEIKLEJOHN: What does Senator Adams say about this thing? (That's
what everybody seems to call him -~ Senator).
GOVERNOR: I don't know. I haven't heard his response yet. I will
say this, that Senator Adams, in one or his first statements,
recognized the need that we are trying to meet and said that he
would approve any plan to do it that was constitutional. And if
this is held constitutional,I am sure he will be for it.
GRETSCH: Governor, is it not true in reality that these varying
amounts 20, 18.50 and 11 go to meet the current operating expenses
of these various students?
GOVERNOR: It is not true. They go specifically and exclusively
for building fund purposes only. They are not part or the operating
budgets of any university.
FARR: Speaking of bonds, we are anticipating, because of our
traditional reliable sources, that the Supreme Court will hand out
a decision before the end or the week on the Turnpike Bonds. What
that decision will be, I don't know, but assuming that they would
affirm the validation, how soon will the bonds be offered for sale?
GOVERNOR: I can't tell you that. I Just don't know what that
schedule is.
FARR: Do you think that Mr. Hammer is fairly right in his belief
that the work can actually be under way by the first of the year?
GOVBRROR: I would say he would have a better chance of being right
than anyone else I know.
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DELAREY: Governor, if the State Supreme Court should approve this
bond issue on the Turnpike extension and there was a threat from
Opponents of this of litigation to a higher court -- the U. 3.
Supreme Court -- would it still be possible for the bonds to be sold?
GOVERNOR: I can't tell you that. I would assume that it would
depend upon whether or not the attorneys to when the bond people are
looking for advice were willing to give an opinion as to the validity
of the bonds, the threat or appeal to the U. 8. Supreme Court to the
contrary notwithstanding.
DELAREY: Isn't it necessary or customary perhaps. I don't know
which, to certify that in the sale of bonds, that there is no
litigation either pending or threatened?
GOVERNOR: I think it is. But then I recall a situation where an
issue was approved by a circuit court. It was appealed to the
Supreme Court and as I recall. and I don't remember the issue, the
bond attorneys, nevertheless, gave their opinion that the issue was
valid, and that the appeal was frivolous. That has happened within
the last two or three years.
DELANEY: In other words, it would depend to a great extent on how
much confidence the bond purchasers had in their legal advisers?
GOVERNOR: Right. And whether or not their attorneys thought the
appeal was in fast frivolous.
FARR: If the Supreme Court does approve the bonds, will you go
ahead with your previously announced plan to confer with these people
in Leesburg to see if you can work out the objections?
GOVERNOR: I have already had one conference with them, and I
anticipate having another one with them.
PARR: Do you feel that you made progress?
MEIKLEJORN: Is everybody happy?
GOVERNOR: No. (laughter) But we are making progress and I found
them very reasonable.
MEIKLEJOHR: In what areas are you moving to reach an agreement?
Is it moving the road or this access facility business?
GOVERNOR: A combination.
DELANEY: A combination of what. I am afraid I didn't catch that?
HEIKLEJORN: I asked moving the road or access facilities. That
gives you a wider latitude. Bob. (laughter)
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GOVERNOR: I'll tell you this, it doesn't take you any further from
Orlando. (laughter)
HEIKLEJORN: Dues it put it any closer?
GOVERNOR: Just a little bit.
TUTTLE: Is this appeasement of the Leesburg people going to cost
the state any more money?
GOVERNOR: No. In the long run it will cost them no more. As a
matter or fact it will probably be a saving for them.
TUTTLE: For the State?
GOVERNOR: Yes.
TUTTLE: In the short run how is it going to cost them?
GOVERNOR: It might involve the improvement of roads now that might
not otherwise be improved for a couple of years let's say --
that sort or thing.
MEIKLEJORN: In other words, existing roads might get a little faster
Job or resurfacing?
GOVERNOR: Than presently scheduled, that's right.
MEIKLEJOHN: Can you list any or those roads?
GOVERNOR: No, sir, I couldn't.
DELANEY: It really hasn't worked out yet?
GOVERNOR: No, it hasn't.
PRENTICE: Have you considered the publicity growing out or the
Benefield case a blot on your administration by any chance?
GOVERNOR: I consider it an endorsement of the administration. It
seems to me that if any case could, that's one that established that
politics didn't have anything to do with the decision at the higher
level, because one thing clearly established was that the men that
were working it didn't get the licenses and the testimony was to the
effect that they had no influence on the situation at all. I believe
the prosecutor in his closing arguments made the point that so far
as Lee and Bryant were concerned this alleged effort had no bearing
on the issuance of the license. I think, therefore, that it was an
endorsement or the administration and I appreciated the quality of
the testimony.
WALDRON: In your advisory committees or patronage committees, or
whatever they are called. in the counties. do they generally pass on
liquor licenses?
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GOVERNOR: They can pass on anything they want to. We don't tell them.
Now, sometimes we ask them for advice. In this case we had not, but
they can get together as a group of men and pass on anything they
want to. They can vote on who is going to win the next football
game, or who should get a liquor license or anything else.
HALDRON: Who appoints the patronage committees?
GOVERNOR: I don't have any patronage committees. These advisory
committees are appointed by me. These are people to whom we look
in each of the communities for advice on local conditions. I was
very glad to see, also, that the prosecuting attorney, who happened
to be a Republican, said that he knew all of the members of the
advisory committee in Pinellas County, and they were the highest
type of men, leaders in the community, and I was, of course, grateful
for that testimony.
PRENTICE: Do you have a revolt brewing in Hillsborough County over
the lack of cooperation here and there on patronage problems?
GOVERNOR: A revolt brewing?
PRENTICE: Yes.
GOVERNOR: I didn't know about it. This is the first that I have
known about it. It could easily be, however, because each time you
appoint a person, there are usually several others disappointed.
TUTTLE: There is no real difference then between a patronage committee
and your advisory committee, is there?
GOVERNOR: I think there is. I think there is a significant difference
in this: I think it ought to be made clear that the decisions are
made here. advice is received locally. We, naturally, turn to friends
in whom we have confidence for advice, but not Just to them. And we
dont always follow their advice. Now a patronage committee is a
committee that hands out patronage, and an advisory committee is one
that advises what ought to be done in areas about which a local
committee has peculiar knowledge.
TUTTLE:So your' advisory committees are sort of a higher level
patronage committee?
GOVERNOR: They are a patronage committee only to the extent that
they do advise us. (laughter)
TUTTLE: I don't quite grasp this difference?
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GOVERNOR: Well, a patronage committee would say, "this man is going
to get this Job," an advisory committee would say, "Governor, we
advise you that this is the man that, in our opinion, would do the
Job the best, or ought to have the Job for whatever reason."
TUTTLE: It is a sort of diplomatic way or doing the same thing,
because you probably don't know him. Let's Just aay hypothetically,
you don't know who this man is, and you should appoint this man or
the position should be filled, so you turn to them for advice?
GOVERNOR: That's correct. But let's say it is a J.P. situation or
small claims Judge, or anything or that kind. We will get a
representation from the advisory committee, but not Just from them.
We get telegrams from a lot of people and telephone calls and friends
not on the committee will come up to see us. We give great weight
to the advisory committee, but it is not the final say.
MEIKLEJOHN: Would you compromise on "advisory-patronage committee?"
GOVERNOR: I like my language better. (laughter)
DELANEY: It is a little bit like the difference between an employee
and a policy maker? (laughter)
FARR: This special appointments brings to mind that Mr. Jarrard and
two other members or the Development Commission have been serving
sort or by sutfereance since July lst. Is there any reason that you
have failed to make those reappointments or do you contemplate
making them?
GOVERNOR: Yes. I will probably make them at some appropriate time,
but I haven't thought or any appropriate time yet.
FARR: Do we assume that you still have full confidence in Mr.
Jarrard?
GOVERNOR: I sure do.
OILLESPY: Why wasn't July lot when their appointments ran out
appropriate?
GOVERNOR: Well, it is. It's appropriate. It's a good time. I
Just didn't get around to it.
DELANEY: Any reason at all for a delay on this thing? We're kind
or puzzled, frankly.
GOVERNOR: It's puzzling all right. (laughter)
MEIKLEJOHN: Maybe that's the reason.
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GOVERNOR: Why, because it's puzzling?
THURSTON: Governor, could you tell us how the difference between
the per diem allowance by the State and the amount actually spent by
Mr. Jarrard and his accomplices on the official part of his trip to
EurOpe will be met?
GOVERNOR: Out of his pocket I suspect. That's the way he pays most
of the excess expenses that he has. I know when he and I have gone
to New York or Washington on business trips, I never get by on the
per diem, but that's Just too bad.
FARR: That doesn't really strain Mr. Jarrard, does it?
GOVERNOR: He hasn't complained yet.
THURSTON: will any part or this expense be met by donations from
business organizations or individuals?
GOVERNOR: I haven't heard of any being met that way. I know of no
revenues that have been received by him for such a purpose.
MEIKLEJOHN: Governor, if I could. let me take care or my North
Florida agenda here. What are you doing about a university over in
Pensacola?
GOVERNOR: Nothing yet. It waits the release or the hundred
thousand dollars and we haven't reached.that in our priority yet.
MEIKLEJOHN: How long do you think that might be, based on the present
fiscal picture?
GOVERNOR: I am very hopeful that by this next Tuesday we're going
to make some more releases in the priority areas which will bring it
closer, but it depends upon the developing financial situation.
MEIKLEJOHN: Since you have asked the people down at Boca Raton to
raise a little money for this operation, do you think maybe the
people in Pensacola are going to have to raise their hundred thousand?
GOVERNOR: When we reach the same stage I think it would be highly
appropriate that the people in the area contribute to the university
located there.
MEIKLEJOHN: Is there anything that can be done short of a hundred
thousand dollars in this study to find out what sort of a university
or college or institution should be built in Pensacola?
GOVERNOR: I am advised not. You will recall there was a recommendation
of the educators that we have three hundred thousand dollars to make
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this study. I thought that was too large a sum, because many or the
factors they would want to explore had been previously explored in
the Boos 0. study on a state-wide basis/aggnsequently the sum was
whittled down to a hundred thousand dollars which they tell me was
a minimum that can be used to reach an effective answer.
DELANEY: Are there any particular things that you hope to release
money for by next Tuesday?
GOVERNOR: Well, of course, Junior colleges are our top priority in
this regard.
DELANEY: How about the prison in Sumter County?
GOVERNOR: I hope to be able to get the planning money at an early
date. I rather doubt that it will be included in this release, but
I hope to get to the planning money at an early date.
FARR: Governor, there was some speculation in print last Friday
night at the Blue Key dinner that there seemed to be an almost
studied coolness between the Vice President and yourself. Do you
agree?
GOVERNOR: I heard about that, I didn't read it. Actually nothing
could be further from the truth. I met Vice President Johnson at
the airport, as a matter of fact, and took him back to the Blue hey
banquet in the state limousine. We were together at the banquet.
We sat together at the Growl. We had a most pleasant exchange. I am
a great admirer of his. He has made some probably exaggerated, but
nevertheless very gratifying, remarks about me, both personally and
in private and including those that he made at the banquet. new what
they could have said my coolness or alleged coolness was based on,
I can't imagine. I supported Mr. Johnson for President. I think he
is still qualified for President. I.will support him it he runs, all
things being as they are now. I am Just proud of the way he has
conducted himself. Incidentally, I thought the speech he made last
Friday night was the best I have ever heard him make. and I have
heard him make many. What was the alleged coolness based upon? I
didn't get to read the article..
FARR: y personal recollection was that you failed when you spoke,
to give the fulsome praise and the greetings of the State that seems
customary at such gatherings, and we did note that the Vice President
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when he started mentioned everybody at the table BXdept you, and Dr.
Tigert, I believe. About half way down, it seemed he tried to
correct this ommlssion by saying that he was very happy that you had
said something about higher education.
GOVERNOR: Yes, and he gave some laudatory remarks in connection
with it.
PARR: Yes, he referred to you as well qualified, I believe.
GOVERNOR: Vigorous, able and well-qualified, as I happen to remember.
(laughter)
FARR: But we thought you didn't show yourself quite as strongly as
Senator Smathers did on his behalf. (laughter)
GOVERNOR: Well, of course, Senator Smather had a different task in
that regard. I felt that Governor Warren, a former Governor of
Rlorida, was the toastmacter and I thought a good Job was done and
would be done for the Vice President by him.in the limited schedule
on which we were working.
FARR: Governor Warren doesn't leave much to be said. (laughter)
GILLESPY: That limited schedule, we heard about it all night.
GOVERNOR: That's right.
LEWIS: Governor, after the primary speeches are made, will you
participate in the state wide races on behalf of the Democratic
nominees?
GOVERNOR: I surely will, if I am asked to do so. As a matter of
fact, I will do it anyway.
FARR: Getting back to this university financing for Just a minute,
Governor. The escheatment law, of course, is now effective and any
money that it produces, save for the interest, will be useless. Do
you plan at the next session to push again for the opportunity to
use that money?
GOVERNOR: I think it would be appropriate to do so. My present
plan is to do so.
LEWIS: Back to this campaign next year, do you feel like the
Democratic Party is in any trouble?
GOVERNOR: On the contrary. I think we are going to have a stronger
campaign this election year than we have had in a long time. There
are two reasons for that: The Republicans can't ride the national
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coattails as they have been doing for the last several general
elections, that is quadriannual general elections. and the Democrats
are sufficiently aroused to dispell the apathy that has characterized
some or our more recent campaigns.
LEWIS: Do you think there is any chance of defeating Congressman
Cramcr?
GOVERNOR: It depends upon who runs against him. It would take a
good man. A good man could do it. The encumbent always has a
built-in advantage.
DELANEY: Would you lend perhaps a little more enthusiasm to the
support of that Democrat than to some of the others?
GOVERNOR: I would give him whatever was necessary that I could do,
I sure would.
GILLESPY: Thank you. Governor.
GOVERNOR: Thank you, gentlemen.
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State of Florida, but because I want him to share with me in this
great honor today, and I also want to ask him if he would ask the
press a few things for us. Thank you, Governor.
GOVERNOR: Good. Thank you very much.
MCCOLLUM: Governor, I would at this time like to urge each and every
one of our 315 American Legion posts in this great State to put on a
veteran's Day program in their respective communities and invite the
public, and make them more aware of the perilous dangers we are going
through and push patriotism in every way possible. It is a pleasure
being here with Cowboy this morning.
GOVERNOR: Thank you, Commander.
WILLIAMS: Governor, one thing -- I have.had information from the
National Committee that the President of the United States at 11
o'clock, will lay a wreath on the Unknown Soldier's tomb and he will
speak until 11:30. Most all of the major television networks will
carry it live and Mutual radio, and I ask the press to please ask all
affiliated stations in the State of Florida to carry that message, if
they will. I certainly appreciate it.
GOVERNOR: Good. Thank you, Cowboy. It's good to see you both.
Hope I get to visit with you before you get away.
Gentlemen, do you have any questions this morning?
FARR: Yes, sir. What are Cowboy Williams' initials? I have forgotten.
GOVERNOR: Frances E., I believe,
WILLIAMS: Francis W.
GOVERNOR: Francis W. -- well, I was close.
WILLIAMS: With an "I" please.
GILLESPY: From where?
GOVERNOR: Inverness, sire.
FARR: Citrus County.
MEIKLEJOHN: what about this bond program the Board of Control is
meeting on this afternoon, have you arrived at any conclusions?
GOVERNOR: All the conclusions that are necessary to arrive at at
this time, yes. The revenue certificate program has developed some
facets that please me very much. The Legislature a few years ago
appropriated, or directed the Board of Control to utilize, a certain
amount out of the matriculation fees of each student for the purpose
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of financing buildings. This is being done by pledging the money
that the Legislature has thus directed be spent for buildings for
the building of buildings the Legislature has directed be built. We
can do the entire Job without resorting to requests for appropriations
formally at any time. In other words we simply carry forward the
program established by the Legislature, and it accomplishes the
things that we want it to do.
TUTTLE: This is relatively new, isn't it? This whole thing didn't
start out with that in mind?
GOVERNOR: No. The thing started out with the recognition of the
necessity and a search for ways to do it. As we got into the program
we directed two auditors from Harry Smith's office, who were very
familiar with the University financing, to begin to study the problem
and they came up with the information upon which this program is
based.
DELANEY: This is 15 million dollars?
MEIKLEJOHN: 25?
GOVERNOR: No, this is not an amount in that sense. What is going to
be done is that these funds are going to be pooled from all the
universities and, from these, single issues can be peeled off. The
first issue probably will be two or three million dollars, or four
or five million dollars, then another four or five million dollars,
to meet the particular needs to which they are adapted. My own
thinking has not at this time gone beyond the 15 million dollars,
except in this regard: One of the things I am advised by those who
were in the committees when this building fund dedication by the
Legislature was made was that in the contemplation of the Legislature
were the Student Union buildings at the several universities. I have
been advised that there is a sort of moral commitment to utilize these
funds in part for the construction of Student Union buildings and
that some funds have been set aside for this purpose from these
earmarked funds. And, therefore. that we should go ahead and do this
thing first, or at least coincidentally with, the construction of the
science and other buildings and extension financing program of which
I spoke.
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REIKLEJORN: well, as I understood it, the moral commitment was on
relatively 10 million dollars worth of buildings at the different
universities which makes up this 25?
GOVERNOR: Well that figure is not the one that I have in mind.
REIKLEJORR: You would stop the Student Unions?
GOVERNOR: Yes. I don't have any proposal now to go beyond, in
buildings, What I mentioned initially, except that Mr. Smith tells
me that when this building fund dedication was made the Legislature
did so thinking that the Student Unions would be built out of it.
And if this was the contemplation that they had, I certainly want
to honor it.
HEIKLEJOHN: What about the situation such as FBU, they were, or are,
right on the ragged edge of using some of this same type money for
an infirmary out there?
GOVERNOR: I use not aware of that. This is the first I have heard
of that.
MEIKLEJORN: I mean if they had building plans under way, or plans
for building, would that fall in, or would that Just fall by the
wayside?
GOVERNOR: I can't tell you, because this is the first I have heard
of it. I would have to know more background before I could tell
you that.
FARR: Governor, if you follow the plan of issuing, say the total
amount at various times at intervals, 2 or 3 or u or 5, would Boos
Raton get first priority? Ilhat is, after the student Unions, would
you give Boca Raton first priority?
GOVERNOR: No priority has been established between the roughly 15
million dollars of projects. They all stand on virtually the same
footing. The way in which these would be issued would depend on
what other legal advice we got, rather than any other consideration.
I put all of those things on the same priority. There has been some
talk about the Executive invading the Legislative in this particular
area. Let me say at this point that first of all. we won't do
anything the Legislature hasn't authorized to be done. We won't do
anything the Supreme Court doesn't say is constitutional.
DELAREY: That will be in the bond validation?
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GOVERNOR: Obviously. Therefore, for anyone to charge us with
invading the Legislative area of discretion is for them to try to
invade the Executive area and to try to keep us from doing those
things which we have been authorized to do. I think those who cling
to the separation of powers as I do, and who want to respect the
separation not only in legal fact but in moral responsibility, have
got the responsibility for respecting not only their own powers but
those of the other branches.
MBIKLEJOHN: Can I go Just a little bit farther into this thing
relative to Boos Baton? Some of these projects that are being
considered already have plans drawn and if you got the money tomorrow
you could move into construction. A project like Boca Raton has
preliminary plans. but no commitment has been made on the 95 or so
thousand dollars that are needed, and that's true in several other
buildings. would the ones on which plans are drawn be in this first
two million, and then Boca Raton, or where is this hundred thousand
dollars for final plans coming in? Is it coming out of the bond
money or out of general revenue?
GOVERNOR: This has not been evolved. What we are trying to do is
to move cautiously from step to step as rapidly as we can. The first
thing we have got to do is to get the Board of Control to approve
the overall plan. I am not trying to evade you, but I Just don't
want to make commitments beyond those that we have mainly reached,
you see. First of all we will get the Board of Control to approve
this procedure and I want to be sure the Board of Education approves
of it. I want to be sure it is legally sound. Then we will have to
have the architects and Bob Brown and others some in and tell us
what's ready and what we can do, and out of all this will evolve the
specifics and the priorities.
MEIKLEJOHN: how long do you think it could take to get this program
approved in the normal course of time?
GOVERNOR: Well, I would think that we ought to be finished by the
first of Fobruary. I think that would give us ample time. I would
hope it would be sooner.
FARR: Do you know off-hand, Governor, the exact amount of each
student fee that goes into this building fund?
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GOVERNOR: At one university it is twenty dollars, and at another
university it is eighteen-fifty, at another university it is eleven
dollars.
OILLESPY: That is the amount of the fee that goes into this building
fund?
GOVERNOR: That is the amount of the fee that has been dedicated by
the Legislature for a building fund. Some of it being already
committed.
OILLESPY: Now about the Student Union buildings?
GOVERNOR: I am quite sure that some of the building fee has
previously been dedicated to existing buildings.
OILLESPY: The point I was getting at was if, in fact, some of this
money has been already dedicated to, say, Student Union buildings,
would that shove them up in the problem or this moral obligation and
get them Finished before you went on with other buildings?
GOVERNOR: That will depend upon whether or not we can raise it all
at once. I mean assuming that there is such an obligation and that
we do decide to proceed with it. And I hope that we will in that
regard.
MEIKLEJOHN: Do you think that under this program as it normally
develops that Boca Raton buildings would be in shape to open the
school in September, 196?
GOVERNOR: Oh, yes.
DELANEY: Before we get away from Boos Raton it I may ask a question
I want to help him (Note: referring to Meiklejohn) if he promises
to ask a Turnpike question. Have you ever discussed the possibility
of his being president of Boca Raton with Dr. Broward Oulpepper?
GOVERNOR: No.
DELANEY: I didn't mean Mciklejohn. (laughter)
GOVERNOR: You were talking about him and the same answer would
apply. (laughter)
DELANEY: Do you think he would make a good man for the Job?
GOVERNOR: Who are you talking about? (laughter)
DELANEY: Dr. Culpepper.
GOVERNOR: I have a great admiration for Dr. Culpepper. I think it
would be imprOper for me to try to evaluate him in that regard since
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I never have looked at his background or really reviewed his situation
with that in mind.
DELANEY: You have not discussed with any or the members of the Board
of Control or the Board of Education the presidency of that
institution then?
GOVERNOR: Dr. Culpepper has been in almost daily conference with me
but I have never discussed that facet of his possibility, shall I say.
DELANEY: If a report has been going around that he has been selected
for president or that university, it would be erroneous?
GOVERNOR: It depends upon who he was selected by. The Press Club
might have selected him or the university or Florida or somebody, but
so far as I know the Board of Control hasn't made any selection.
HEIKLEJORN: When would you imagine some decision would be reached
on that?
GOVERNOR: I would think that this is a matter that they ought to
turn all their attention to. If we get this program off the ground,
as I think we will, then we are going to be faced with the immediate
necessity of having an administrative staff.
FARR: Along that same line, Governor, do you have any personal
preference to head the expanded Extension Program?
GOVERNOR: I am going to wait on the recommendation or the Board.
GILLESPY: Please explain to me the reasoning behind bonds in small
amounts making up $15 million instead or one big $15 million issue.
would each or these smaller denomination bonds be for a specific
project?
GOVERNOR: Or group or projects, yes. In other words say -- we are
not going to do this --but let's say we wanted to build a stadium at
each university. Then we might lump all the stadiums together and
run an issue through to build stadiums. As I understand it from the
attorneys who evolved this new approach to building state university
buildings. it would be advisable to lump like buildings in a program
based upon similar source funds in order to make the first test or
the validity or the program, and then we go through on that basis.
GILLESPY: Then it is more a matter of testing the validity of the
program than actually building?
GOVERNOR: Well, it is more than testing the validity of it. It is
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that, or course, but if you are going to take money from each
university for buildings, as you are going to be doing in this program,
then you ought to be able to allocate to each university some of the
product of the funds that you derive by that allocation.
GILLESPY: This I understand, but couldn't you allocate it Just as
well with a big fat $15 million bond issue?
GOVERNOR: Probably you could. I have not studied the legal reasons
fer this. The attorneys tell me that it ought to be done this way
and I am willing to do it that way.
HEIKLEJORN: I asked them the same question. I asked them why and
they said that the building schedule on it would require in some
instances it would take from four to six months to do construction
drawings and they felt that there is no use borrowing money for some
or those that --
GOVERNOR: That makes a lot of sense, too.
TUTTLE: Are you going to run into any legal problems like taking
part or the fee of students going to P30, for example, and building a
building down at Boca Raton where the 530 student will never have any
benefit from it?
GOVERNOR: well, I don't agree with that last conclusion, but I don't
think so, even with that.
HEIKLEJOHN: Have you had any messages from the University of Florida
and FBU relative to them feeling they are being picked on by
allocating some of this money?
GOVERNOR: 0n the contrary. The result of this program will be to
accelerate the building program at all universities.
TUTTLE: Do you know how tar, how high you can go on these student
fees as far as the bond issues?
GOVERNOR: Only as far as the Legislature authorizes. The Legislature
has said how much the building fee shall be and we can't go any
higher unless the Legislature directs that it be done.
TUTTLE: In other words you only seek to go as high to build all
of the buildings which are authorized.
GOVERNOR: That's right. With the funds that have been allocated.
TUTTLE: But could you get more money with the bonds based on the
fees, on the basis or the fee? In other words are the fees sufficient
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to go beyond $15 million, let's say?
GOVERNOR: I think the fees are sufficient to go up to roughly $25
million. It would depend. We are working with the community
facilities division of the Federal government to get as much of this
at 3-1/8 percent as we can. Obviously the more we get at 3-1/8 as
compared with 4 the more you could finance.
MEIKLEJOHN: Summed up, you like this plan?
GOVERNOR: I do, very much.
FARR: In fact it was your plan, wasn't it?
GOVERNOR: Yes, sir.
TUTTLE: Did you happen to reach this out of any fear that perhaps
the original idea of deficit spending, as such, was perhaps
unconstitutional, and therefore you had to find another way to go
about it?
GOVERNOR: Oh, no. we went into this thing after the Legislature
was over and the escheat law had failed to pass. The need was still
there and we began casting about and this thing has evolved. I am
quite confident, at least I hope, that we will evolve some more
improvements yet before we are completed. we are having constant
discussions with lawyers, with the accountants with educators and
when anybody has got a new idea that's worthy of research, we study it.
WALDRON: What do the bond people say, Governor?
GOVERNOR: I don't know of any that have been approached about it.
Let me tell you that before the first program was voted on by the
Board of Education, a group of bankers in Florida advised me that
they would buy the whole $15 million issue. Since that time I have
had no contact with bond people.
wALDRON: Well the point that occurred to me is that this method of
repaying depends upon the Legislature re-voting every two years on
these student fees?
GOVERNOR: Oh, no. It doesn't at all.
WALDRON: Doesn't the Legislature approve the student fees every
two years?
GOVERNOR: No, they don't. They can or cannot as they like. But
this money has been dedicated by them. The universities are instructed
to use it for building purposes. They would have to change the law.
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