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NEHS CONFERENCE
GOVERNOR FARRIS BRYANT
TALLARASSEE, FLORIDA
FEBRUARY 15. 1962
newsman PARTICIPATING: Georgiana Batemen, FLORIDA BROADCAST NEUS;
Vernon Bradford. TAMPA TRIBUNE; Rendrix Chandler, ASSOCIATED PRESS:
Robert N. Delaney. ORLANDO SRNTINEL-STAR; James Gillespyi UNITED
PRESS INTERNATIONAL; Chuck Ooetz, FLORIDA BROADOAST NEWS; David
Oretsch, FREE LANCE RADIO; Don Meiklejohn, JOHN H. PERRY PAPERS;
Jerry Mock, FLORIDA TIMES UNION; Frank Noel, ASSOCIATED PRESS;
Stan Tarilton, FLORIDA BROADCAST NEWS: Rick Tuttle, MIAMI RERAID-
ST. PETERSBURG TIMES SERVICE.
GOVERNOR: Gentlemen, I have here a report of the Governors Committee
on Recreational Development which is being issued now and will be
distributed. This is the report of the Committee that was headed
The Governor's Advisory Committee earlier in 1961, and which has
been doing, in my opinion. an outstanding Job in bringing together
the recreational tools with which Florida has to work. I think a
key to this whole report is the quotation on page 7 from a report
in 1953 by a couple of men from the University of Florida, in which
it was said that Florida's administrative structure for resources
conservation shows a total lack of integration. Fully 1n separate
and independent agencies exercise some Jurisdiction over the
state's natural resources. And then again, the statement to the
effect that nature is a unity. "We cannot separate the fish from
the water nor the trees from the soil." And yet it is a fact that
in our conservation activities we try to do this. We consider them
in separate context and this committee is doing a good Job or
bringing the things we are concerned with together. There are
certain preliminary recommendations here, and I am asking them to
give us a final report not later than January 1, 1963, so that if
any legislative action is indicated it can be taken by the 1963
Legislature.
BRADFORD: Governor, are any of these preliminary recommendations
or thin nature to be put into effect now?
GOVERNOR: Only to the degree that they are in the informal way
in which they are now operating.
TUTTLE: Does this cover beaches? Public beaches and so forth?
GOVERNOR: Yes sir, you will find some references to the Development
Commission report some time ago on recreational access.
This is a very preliminary report but it indicates the direction in
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the Democratic and Republican parties. what difference does that
make to the Mayor of Ocala? Why should he run as a Republican or a
Democrat because the President is for high tariff or low tariff?
He doesn't have anything to do with this. This is true of almost
all local issues and most state issues. They are completely
unrelated to the national position. 30 that a man might well be
of one, say, at the national level, but forced into a category of
another, say. at the local level. Not because there is any rational
necessity for it, but because of personalities that are involved.
I think when we say if you are going to be for high tariff you have
got to run on the Republican ticket for Mayor in Pinellas County,
or in St. Petersburg, this is ridiculous, and yet that is what we are
saying. And people go to office today in Florida -- not as much as
in other states, thank goodness -- and say: Well, I am not going
to vote for that fellow for mayor because he is a Democrat or a
Republican? as the case may be when it has no relation at all. There
is no local philosophy relative to the local government.
BRADFORD: Well, do you think, Governor, that this problem has
more significance to the party label at the Congressional level
of office?
GOVERNOR: At the Congressional level I think it does have a
significance because there it is normally and naturally and
inevitably related to the same questions as those on which the
President seeks office. But when you leave the Congressmen and the
Senators and carry down to a county commissioner or a sheriff,
this is a reductio ad absurdum.
DELANEY: Governor would you want to spell that? (laughter)
GOVERNOR: I'll refer that to my legal friend, here. (Referring to
Chandler) (Laughter)
DELANEY: We have heard criticism from some of the other state
officials about people who are registered Democrats in Florida and
yet who Jump over and vote for Republican candidates in national
elections. Are you inclined to be critical of such people, or do
you feel that this is a perfectly Justified thing?
GOVERNOR: Of course it all depends. The only people we criticiza
are those that don't vote the way we vote. I'm critical of those
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that don't vote like I vote, and I think that those who do Jump the
party line and vote the way I do, if they Jump over on my side,
they are fine statesmen-like upright citizens. (laughter)
DELANEY: It's all right for Republicans to vote Democratic ....
(laughter)
GOVERNOR: That's correct.
DELANEY: Not vice versa?
CHANDLER: Governor, do you think that a person who is nominated
for congress on a Democratic ticket has a greater obligation to
support the Democratic Party platform than the Governor? (laughter)
That is, that a person who is nominated for Congress on the
Democratic ticket has a greater obligation to support the Democratic
platform and goals than the Governor of a state who was nominated
on the Democratic ticket?
GOVERNOR: Both of these people have one obligation, and that's
to serve the constituency that elects them within the largest
framework of the good of the state and nation of which they are a
part. Of course, each man must resolve these questions according
to his own conscience.
MEIKLEJOHN: Governor, can I get your definition of what this study
is over in Pensacola in regard to four-year colleges? We have had
about everybody elses' and you're the one that recommended the
study, so I wondered if you might be able to clear up the aims
and objectives of it?
GOVERNOR: Yes. This is the same kind of study that was initiated
prior to the establishment of a university to be located in Palm
Beach County. I will define it by comparison if I may.
MEIKLEJOHN: I notice you say prior to -- well, the definition
that was given at Cabinet meeting the other day was a feasibility
study. Do you feel that that's a proper......
CGVERNOR: That's certainly involved. Assuming, as most of us do
the feasibility of it, nevertheless this has to be established to
the Legislature's satisfaction in order to secure the appropriation
of funds. Again this is the sort of thing that, although you
reach the conclusion, your mind ought always to be open on.
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BRADFORD: well, is it the study, Governor. to determine how you
can Justify a fouryear college or a study to determine if a four-
yeer college is feasible?
GOVERNOR: If it is objective, I would hope that these people would
go in and study need in relationship to total resources and methods
for satisfying the needs. Bearing in mind that the Legislature has
indicated that in its opinion there is a need for an institution in
the Pensacola ares.
TUTTLE: In authorizing a study to determine if there is a need....
GOVERNOR: well, I think they did it by the same token they didn't
authorize a study to determine if there should be a four-year
college in Ocela. Obviously, they don't think there ought to be
one in Goals, but they do think, their preliminary thinking
certainly is, that there should be one in Pensacola. Otherwise no
money to study the matter.
HEIKLEJOHN: Do you think the wording 'four-year college' as its in
the Appropriations Bill is in any way restrictive as to what course
you might take?
GOVERNOR: Yea, I do. I think that the planning ought to be for
a four-year college until the Legislature designates otherwise. Now
it may be that this report will bring out facts which would indicate
that some other curriculum was desirable. That's a matter for the
Legislature again to review in the light of this fuller knowledze.
CHANDLER: Is it possible that the new Institute for Continuing
University Studies may reduce the need for colleges?
GOVERNOR: When you say '18 it possible', thats pretty tread.
Actually I think the Institute is gozng to have its hands ac full
satisfying need in highly industrialized areas as vividly as it
can, I Just can't imagine a saturation of need :n tne educational
area at this time. I tnink everything that we are ooing to is c r
to do is not going to be enough.
DFIANEY: Governor, from Orlando there have been allegation: of
police brutality sent to your office from a group of ministers I
to1ieve. and 1180 from the NAACP. Have they rescued your attzczicn?
GOVERNOR: No, I have not seen either of them.
Thank you, gentlemen.
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which they are going and they have put it out so that if we have any
suggestion for modification, or so that if there are things that
ought to be included or amendments that ought to be made before
final report, it can be done at this time.
CHANDLER: noes this make any recommendatioas regarding consolidation
of conservation agencies?
GOVERNOR: No.
CHANDLER: The Game and Fish and Conservation Departments?
GOVERNOR: No, it makes no recommendations for anything of that
kind. Of course, you realize that they will be meeting with
Assistant Secretary Briggs of the Department of the Interior this
morning and then, of course, we will be having lunch with that
group and others today so that we can attempt to correlate our
conservation program, as you'll see recommended, not only with the
county and city levels of government, but also with the federal
level, which as you know has indicated a line of procedure on
behalf of federal government, and we want to be sure that we take
advantage of all their activities and resources.
CHANDLER: Governor, I wanted to ask you a question about the
University of Boca Baton. Is the State Board of Control having
any difficulty finding a president at a salary of $16,000 a year?
GOVERNOR: You are getting a little out of your field aren't you?
(laughter) I don't know. I have not had a report on it. I have
not been advised.
CHANDLER: Has there been any request for private supplementing of
his salary from private funds?
GOVERNOR: None of whid1 I have any knowledge.
GRETSCH: Have they talked with any of the junior college presidents?
GOVERNOR: I haven't the remoteat idea.
MEIKLEJOHN: would you be against the private supplementation of a
university president, salary and principle?
GOVERNOR: No. Let me expand beyond no. This is not to be
construed in any fashion that I think one is desirable or due or
necessary. You asked me if I would be against it in principle and
in principle, no, but that doesn't mean that we are going to have
one, or I am looking for one, or would approve one if it was offered.
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TUTTLE: In other words, if someone wanted to give him $10,000 extra
which would make $26,000 a year, you might not approve it.
GOVERNOR: It would depend on what this would do to other
universities, for instance. There are lots or questions. but as
far as principle I am not against it. But yet a decision or that
kind has to be made in the context of the circumstances existing
at the time a decision is made.
MOCK: Governor, I noticed that the legislative council urged that
the Cabinet keep a tight rein| on personnel expansion in state
agencies involved in federally supported programs. Are you
acquainted with that?
GOVERNOR: Oh, yes. I have not read their recommendation, but I am
acquainted with the problem.
HOOK: Does that go along with your thinking?
GOVERNOR: It surely does, and incidentally, I had an extensive
conversation with Mr. Worley Brown or the Industrial Commission and
Dr. Hardee and Dr. Peak of the State Board or Health, they being
two agencies at the moment that are particularly expansionist
because of federal participation. The Budget Commission, for
instance, has repeatedly advised Dr. Hardee, and I have also told
him, that we must be sure that as we take advantage or these federal
programs that we do not commit ourselves to continuation of these
programs beyond federal funds. Not that we wouldn't continue them
again, it is not that we wouldn't continue a particular program,
but Just that we don't want to be bound to continue it oy circum-
stances that we willingly walked into.
TUTTLE: Hasn't the Industrial Commission been greatly expanded
personnel-wise?
GOVERNOR: Well, that's an interesting thing. It has been expanded
a great deal less than the Comptrollers figures indicate.
Something happened at the beginning of this administration of which
I was not aware at the time. but which you may be interested in.
Normally, of course, the Comptroller's employment figures are closed
as or the end of the month. But at the beginning or the adminis-
tration, that is January 1961, the Comptroller, probably to make a
complete record of the last administration, held the employment
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figure for December open until January 8 and put in the December
figures those supplemental employee reports for an eight day period
which normally come in following the end of the month. This meant
that December was higher than it normally would be, but for the
delay. It also meant that January was lower because nonmally those
would have gone into the January figures and there would be a carry-
over from each month, you see. Actually, the increase in the
Industrial Commission's employees has been about 130-1uo (it has
been about a month since I have discussed these figures with the
persons involved ) less than indicated on my reports from the
Comptroller. I thought this might have happened extensively in
other agencies. It did not happen extensively in other agencies
although it did happen to some minor degree.
TUTTLE: This is l301ho less than the figures you have indicated?
GOVERNOR: Yes. In other words, the January figures for employment
upon which I have been basing comparisons and requiring the agency
heads to account for was actually lower than it ought to have been
and, therefore, the discrepancy between January and currently is
greater than it ought to have been. I believe that the proper level
of employment for January 1961 for the Industrial Commission was in
the neighborhood of 1,020 employees, give or take 10, and that
currently the employment level is in the neighborhood of 1,550, or
something of that kind, and that this is the real increase. Now
this increase has been accounted for, as you have indicated, almost
exclusively by an increase in the unemployment compensation program
resulting from an extension of unemployment compensation benefits
for a longer period of time.
TUTTLE: And, therefore, you don't figure getting into any deep
water should these federal programs be stopped?
GOVERNOR: Well, if they cut back on the employment compensation
business then we won't need as many people in that area. If the
level or employment in Florida is such that they don't need the
rehabilitation or retraining activities then we won't need as many
peeple. I foresee some problems so far as the individuals are
concerned. It is awfully hard to release people because you have run
out or work for them and I don't anticipate really that this is going
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to happen. On the other hand, I don't feel that we can say that
we will not service these unemployment compensation accounts because
we might be committing ourselves to individuals beyond our future
desire to do so. We Just have to take that risk which I think
would be small in this case.
TUTTLE: How would this fit into the Herit System's scheme, can you...
GOVERNOR: Well, whenever a Job is gone you can dismiss the person
who holds it. You don't need to continue to render a service Just
to employ a person, I don't think.
DELANEY: Governor. may I ask a question. On Tuesday, before we
ever had a chance to start speculating on the successor of Judge
Robson, your appointment of Governor Caldwell came through. Are we
going to have to adjust our speculation schedule? (laughter). Had
you any prior knowledge that Governor Caldwell might accept such an
appointment if such a vacancy occurred?
GOVERNOR: Well let me say that I have never known a lawyer,
although I am sure there are some, who would turn down an appointment
to the Supreme Court, and I didn't anticipate any great difficulty
in persuading Governor Caldwell, although let me say that he did
not seek this Job. The Job sought the man.
DELANEY: You were in Tampa when you learned of Judge Robson's
retirement. Was that your first knowledge?
GOVERNOR: I had heard some rumor that he might be considering
retirement, over a considerable period of time and, therefore, had
given considerable thought to the matter.
DELANEY: Then you had not discussed it with Governor Caldwell
until Tuesday?
GOVERNOR: I didn't discuss it with him then, as a matter of fact.
BRADFORD: But your mind was already made up,in the case there was
a vacancy.uho you would recommend.
GOVERNOR: Subject always to change, but I think my general
conclusion had been that Governor Caldwell would be the first
appointee if I had an opportunity to appoint somebody.
CHANDLER: who is your second appointee? (laughter)
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GOVERNOR: I don't know that there will be one.
CHANDLER: We all consider ourselves authorities on the law down
in the press section.
MEIKLEJOHN: Governor, have you heard anything officially concerning
Palm Beach County Solicitor Joel Dave's statement the other day
that he would not prosecute the six men including Kellenberger?
GOVERNOR: No, I have not. I don't believe it was anything that
would come into the office from him or from any other official
about him. I believe, when I left and Hr. Evans indicates by
shaking his head that nothing has come in since then as far as I
know.
MEIKLEJOHN: Have you looked into the matter at all, or what is
your position on it basically?
GOVERNOR: Well, I don't have anything official on it. It is my
understanding that the Grand Jury is coming back into session.
This is primarily a challenge between Mr. Daves and the Grand Jury,
as I understand it. The Grand Jury has indicated they think certain
things ought to be done and he has taken it upon himself to say
they ought not to be done. This is not a thing that it seems to
me the Governor should invade.
TUTTLE: Would you have the power to invade should that appear
necessary? In other words, like appointing a special prosecutor?
GOVERNOR: I don't really know. I am sure that if the Grand Jury
asks me to that I
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I say I am sure because the powers of a grand Jury are so
extensive that it seems to me that that could be done. Now
presumably Palm Beach had some unusual special acts governing it
because state attorneys there handle only capital cases and so I
don't know what the local situation is.
BRRDFORD: Governor, have you arrived at any conclusion in your
thinking on this latest request to re-route 1-75 in the Ocala area?
You have met with those people?
GOVERNOR: Yes, I think everyone is in agreement, with a few
exceptions, that it ought not to be re-routed. That is my conclusion.
BRADFORD: The matter, as far as you are concerned, is closed?
GOVERNOR: Let me say this without reopening this -- it is never
closed until the road is built, but I do not have any present
inclination or information upon which I could reasonably predicate
a re-routing.
CHANDLER: Governor, last fall you indicated to us that you might
encourage some of your friends and others to seek election to
political party posts in an effort to build a strong Democratic Party
organization. Are you taking any steps in this direction?
GOVERNOR: I don't remember saying that. However, it's a good idea.
And if you say I said it, I am sure I did.
CHANDLER: I think you said that you are going to try to encourage
some of the people who were active in your campaign organization...
as I recall...
GOVERNOR: It sounds like a very unusual remark for me to make,
although of course I don't remember. (laughter) Let me say, I
think good Democrats ought to seek these party posts if we are going
to continue to build the Democratic Party's record in Florida. I
would hope that instances that have occurred too often in the past
where the party post has gone with no contest at all would never
happen again.
BRADFORD: One of the Cabinet members was quoted at this meeting at
st. Petersburg speaking to a Junior Chamber group that he favored
the two party system and praised the local people for their efforts
in that direction. Do you subscribe generally to that philosophy?
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GOVERNOR: It all depends on whether you have it in a formal or
informal sense, whether you favor the two party system. Actually
there has been a two party system within the Democratic Party for
centuries. It has pretty well developed in Florida two lines of
thinking. And most or you sitting here, with your political
background, could classify most of the people serving in public
office today as being one or the other of those parties within the
Democratic Party.
DELANEY: Do you have names for those two parties? We've heard about
them before.
GOVERNOR: Well, it depends upon the heat or the campaign. (laughter)
Sometimes it would be one thing and others another.
BRADFORD: Would that kind of two party system suit you better?
GOVERNOR: Let me say this: the government of the fastest growing
state in the Nation, the one that leads in educational development,
the one that has been the most free, I think, of any state in the
Nation of scandal in high places, has been the government or the
State of Florida. Parties are not themselves an excuse for being.
Their excuse for being is to represent the people and to give the
people an opportunity to assert their own political philosophies.
This has been done in Florida through the Democratic Party for
dentures.
GRETSCH: Was it done on account or this or in spite of it?
GOVERNOR: Both.
CHANDLER: Don't you think that everyone should travel under his
proper label though, Governor?
GOVERNOR: I don't know. I don't know even two people that can
agree on a label. You mean the party.....
CHANDLER: I am talking about if an individual has a certain
political philosophy that should be classified under the Republican
label that he should declare himself a Republican.
GOVERNOR: But unquestionably, but you must first of all, define
for me the Republican label, or the Democratic Label and then we
can put everybody neatly under one or the other or.....
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DELANEY: Governor, would it be a correct assumption when you speak
of these two parties within the Democratic Party that you are
referring to the sort of thing where in 1960 we could have said
there are the Carlton Democrats and the Bryant Democrats?
GOVERNOR: I would hope it would be a deeper schism than that. The
Carlton-Bryant division was a thing of one race. I think there
are lines of thought that run over a couple of decades which divide
the State of Florida within the Democratic Party. Several lines
of thinking.
DELANEY: We have no names for these though. and we are lost
without labels.
GOVERNOR: Well, I'll be glad to lead you, (laughter) but not
label you.
TUTTLE: What you're saying here is that to be comparable to it
in the Republican Party that conservative conservatives and liberal
conservaties, so to speak. In other words in a two party state
you end up with four parties?
GOVERNOR: If you had two parties, that's correct. within the
Republican Party, to get remote from Florida, so that I won't be
confusing people any more than they may be confused already about
certain things of that kind, lets say the Goldwater Republicans
or there is the Rockefeller Republicans. One generally is given
a label of conservative and the other is generally given a label
of liberal. If everybody in Florida were Republicans and they
divided along these lines they would have representation of their
political philosophy within their party.
CHANDLER: Then you don't think Democratic and Republican labels
mean anything?
GOVERNOR: I didn't say that at all.
TUTTLE: That seems to be what you are saying.
GOVERNOR: No. I think you have got to realize and I don't know
why this is so difficult -- it makes me question my own thinking on
it that it seems so difficult -- there are lines of thinking about
several questions which have no relation to local questions. For
instance, let's go into history -~ the question of how do we stand
on high tariff and low tariff, the historical difference between
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