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THE BRYANT YEARS: THE MIDWAY MARK
(Transcript of the half hour television presentation 0: GOVERNMENT
IN ACTION, an exploration of the projects and personalities of
Florida State Government, produced for the Florida Educational
Television Network by wFsu-rv, Tallahassee.)
This program is being shown in conjunction with the
second anniversary or Farris Bryant's inauguration
as Governor of Florida by the following Florida
television stations which regularly carry the Government
In Action Series:
WLBW-TV Miami WJCT Jacksonville
TBS Miami WFSUTV ~ Tallahassee
wznu Tampa WDBO-TV Orlando
WUFT Gainesville
And as a special showing by HTVT in Tampa
PRESS NOTE: THIS TEXT NOT FOR RELEASE EARLIER THAN AM'S OF SATURDAY,
JANUARY 5, 1963.
to be that way this next time, but I do expect to organize a little
bit better, a little bit tighter and have a closer liaison so that
there will be somebody speaking for the Governor and I hope to make
up through this leadership the disadvantage that you have, a lot of
these people that are now members of the Legislature were not workers
in my campaign, and I didn't serve with them in the Legislature, and
don't have the close liaison that I would otherwise have had.
FRYE: Looking back over your first two years can you see any major
weak spots or some things you did you wish you hadnt, or some things
you could have improved on, any maJor personnel problems?
GOVERNOR: Yes. I think that first of all if I had had a better
grasp on the problems of floating a tremendous bond issue, such as
we did in the Turnpike Authority, working out the gigantic problems
that we had to do there, that we might have caused less friction in
the state. I learned that the thing to do when you have a program
like that is to go and work the support for it first instead of
bulling ahead with your program and then explaining to the people
after you have gone ahead what you are doing. If you take the time
to get chambers of commerce and local individuals sold on your
pregram and seeking it ahead of time rather than Just driving ahead
and do it, and then explain to them as you go, there is a lot less
friction. I think some of the friction that occurred and some of the
objections that we had, possibly cost us some money in the bond
market. I don't know how much, nobody can put their finger on it,
whether it is l/lOOth of a point or 1/10th of a point, but I believe
it cost us something and I think it is because of my inexperience in
not working out ahead of time rather than bulling ahead that cost us
that. I think I know more about it now than I did. I think the same
thing might be true, I don't believe it cost us in money, but on the
educational program. I decided this thing needed to be done so I
came out and said this is what I think we ought to do, let's go.
Well, before hand I should have gone around and educated people in a
sense letting them know what the whole plan was and gotten them to say,
Governor, why don't we do this," than I could come out and say,
"0.x. if you want to, we will do it." This leads to a better climate.
TUTTLE: In other words, you have learned a lot in these first two
years?
GOVERNOR: Yes, I have.
TUTTLB: Do you think you, therefore, will accomplish more in the
second two with this experience?
GOVERNOR: I hope so. There is a disadvantage in the last two years.
YOu bring people in and you go in and they go in with great zeal.
Now in the last two years you have got to -- it's like bringing the
football team at the half: "Hell, look fellows you were blocking on
these plays, you weren't doing this or that or the other. We have
got to got steamed up all over again. He may be one point ahead, but
there is the whole last half left." And the thing that we are facing
now, we began working on it about sis months ago in a concrete fashion,
is getting the team ahead, and we are dedicating ourselves to give it
that old college try for the last two years Just as we did for the
first two. You know in an office like this, and it is particularly
true if you are not trained for it as I have been for all my life,
you are in an office like this and you worked up to two years and
you ccme to identify yourself with the Job and this becomes "my" Job
and this is "my" office and this is "my" agency and these are "my"
decisions, well you have got to haul up again and say no, it's not,
it's "ours" ic's the people's. You have got to listen to their
voice. We don't have an election right behind us, but they keep
speaking to us every day. And this thing has got to be worked out in
the total framework of Florida's economy and seciety, not what I
want in every instance, but what do I hear on this thing. And we had
a meeting of all our leaders -- oh, I say all of our leaders, a great
many of our appointees, down at Crystal River, about 50 or 60 of then,
I think, weren't there John.
EVANS: Yes.
GOVERNOR: And the crux of it was to get back together and to recapture
the zeal with which we went at the Job of improving government in
Florida.
FRYE: Have you lost your taste for politics at all?
GOVERNOR: No, na'an. It's the most fascinating exercise in the
world. I used to love contract bridge, and I am sure that I still
would if I had time to play.
TUTTLE: Don't you think a very fascinating political experiment
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would be a race between you and LeRoy Collins and Tom Adams in 196
for the Senate?
GOVERNOR: Well, as you say it would pose interesting problems, yes.
FREE: Is it a possibility, do you think?
GOVERNOR: There's no vacancy.
TUTTLE: Should one arise, would you consider running for the Senate
in 1964?
GOVERNOR: I started out on this Job with a promise to myself to focus
my eyes and my attention and my heart on doing this Job. When I
finish with this one, then I will think about the future. I am not
going to think about another Job.
FRYE: There is one thing you have done, you are getting better and
better at not answering that question. Experience.
GOVERNOR: Well, I am not answering it to myself.
FREE: well, can you see, after spending half your life or more in
politics, going back to Ocala to practice law?
GOVERNOR: Well, yes I can. You know I have many loves, politics is
one of them. I love the law, I could enjoy being a professor, I love
the academic world. There are lots of things that I love. I love
speaking. I can conceive of doing that on another level.
FREE: Hhat about a Judgeship? Has that ever entered your mind?
GOVERNOR: No, ma'am, it has not. That is a wonderful field of
service, but I am not yet ready, if I shall ever be, to enter that
field.
TUTTLE: How is your health, Governor: Have you had a medical check
up lately?
GOVERNOR: Perfect, I think. No. Julie is insisting that I go back
to this clinic that I have been to a number of times over the years
and I want to do it at this time, but I have no reason other than Just
a checkup.
TUTTLE: No complaints?
GOVERNOR: No complaints.
FREE: If you had it to do over again, would you run for Governor
again?
GOVERNOR: Yes, ma'am, I sure would.
EVANS: And on that happy note, Governor, I am afraid I have got to
call time. We want to thank you for making this an interesting look
at the.leader of our Government in Action. Goodnight.
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EVANS: Good evening, and welcome to a special edition of Government
in Action, a continuing examination by Florida's Educational
Television Network of the projects and personalities that are our
government. I am John Evans and this is the Bryant Years -- The
Midway Mark. (Film of Inauguration) It was Just two years ago on a
bright and blustery January morning that Farris Bryant strode to the
center of the specially built inaugural stand behind the Capitol
building in Tallahassee and with these words became the Governor of
the fastest growing state in the nation.
GOVERNOR: I, Farris Bryant, do solemnly swear that I will support,
protect and defend the Constitution and government of the United
States and of the State of Florida; that I am duly qualified to hold
office under the Constitution of the state; and that I will well and
faithfully perform the duties of Governor of the State of Florida on
which I am now about to enter, so help me God.
EVANS: The Florida Constitution prohibits the service of consecutive
terms by the Chief Executive and so a Governor's chronological
progress can be precisely measured. He has four years in which to
guide the state as he deems best. (End Film) Today Farris Bryant
stands at the midway mark. Although the final assessment of his
service will be in the hands of the historians, Governor Bryant has
kindly consented to Join us on Government in Action tonight for a
discussion of his own views of the first half of his administration.
To seek his views we have two contemporary historians with
us: on my left Rick Tuttle, the Capital Correspondent of the Miami
Herald and President of the Capital Press Club of Florida; and on my
right Mrs. Barbara Frye, who for a number of years has observed the
affairs of state in Florida from her post as Chief of the Capital
Bureau of United Press International. These reporters and their
colleagues at the Capital cover in detail the daily activities of the
Governor and his Administration.
Governor Bryant, welcome, and let me start this off by
asking if you have found the Job to be as you had imagined it when
you sought the office?
GOVERNOR: Hell, you imagine many things. It is different in that
there are considerably more restrictions and limitations on a
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Governor than I had ever dreamed that there were. You live in a
world where, while you are Governor of a state and, therefore, have
some authority, you nevertheless in most of the matters of your life
live under the authority of others. You live by schedule. Others
make arrangements for things that you have been doing for yourself
all your life. You don't drive a car any more. You don't get up
and leave your office when you want to. You have to go through a
secretary and then through a highway patrolman. And the whole
mechanics of living become a very complicated thing rather than the
simple business of Just doing as you feel inclined to do in private
life. But so far as the Job itself is concerned, that is, the
business of being Governor in the popular sense, it is all that I
dreamed and expected that it would be. It gives you chances to play
a part in shaping history even in a small way, in a way that would
not otherwise be possible, of being a part of big things, of making
a contribution and this is important, the really important part of
the process.
TOTTTE: Governor, a year ago at this time in answer to the question,
"what was your maJor accomplishment," you pointed to the solution to
reapportionment, quieting the fires of sectionalism. This has now
vanished. What do you now feel is your major accomplishment in two
years in office?
GOVERNOR: Hell, Rick, it is hard to pick out one particular thing.
There are so many things that are important. I suppose of most
lasting importance will be the changes, the evolution, that is taking
place in the field of higher education. The people dont realize,
and I don't fully understand it all myself, and I am sure that there
is no one that does, but the changes that have occurred in our system
of higher education these last two years have been monumental. It has
been accompanied, of course, by friction, because whenever there are
changes of this kind friction necessarily develops. The trimester
system is a tremendOus stride. It is accompanied by difficulties for
the students and the faculty and administrators and for the
Legislature and financial difficulties, but out of it, if it works
as we hOpe and believe that it will work, will cone a fuller
utilization of Florida's higher educational system and facilities at
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a time when we are desperately in need to make the most of. That is
Just one thing. And then another thing, of course, is this Institute
for Continuing University Studies. It sounds like a rather involved
thing and it is involved. But it it works, if it realizes our hopes
for it, out of this will came an expansion or college opportunity for
peeple everywhere in Florida, regardless of where they live. Today,
when a man graduates from college or gets his master's degree or his
doctor's degree and goes out to work, he is not satisfied that he is
an educated man -- he is not an educated man in a complete sense.
The knowledge that he gained in college will be lost in ten years
unless it is kept up to date. And as he works with Sperry, or GE,
or Martin~Marietta, or RCA, or Pratt-Hhitney, or any of these
tremendous organizations, or the smaller ones that are making such a
difference in Florida today, he's got to keep up with what's going
on in the educational world. He's got to continue to advance and to
educate himself. And he has to stay on the Job to do this, but he
must have access to the resources, the academic resources, of our
universities. Hell, it is through the Institute for Continuing
University Studies in part that we hope to be able to do this.
Then the building program that we have undertaken; first,
the rather relatively small $25 million bond or capital outlay program,
which met immediate scientific needs. This is but the beginning. It
does, however, lay a solid foundation. We have made a stride and
from that stride we have begun a Journey that, I think, will be a very
significant one.
Then I can mention turnpike; I can mention the fact that
we haven't increased taxes these two years and yet we have kept
abreast of most of the needs or the state, the fact that we are going
into a conservation and recreational development program thats unlike
anything that has been done before. All or these are important.
Now, I got off to making a speech that would answer a simple question,
but it is hard to say what one thing is most important. They are all
important.
TUTTLB: Well, to Jump back and take the other side or that same
question. Was apportionment your maJor disappointment in the two
years?
GOVERNOR: Yes. Yes, it has been. Apportionment in its simplest
terms is a very complex thing. It is complex when you Just try to
get the Legislature, which is still representative of an area of
population that no longer is a majority of Florida, to move toward
the recognition of new needs. And when you get the House and the
Senate, which have different views, to reach some sort of agreement,
and then when you inject the court in there, as was done, and they come
up with new limitations but no new guidelines, Just new limitations
of a sort or new negative statements that you can't do it this way
without telling us how we may do it, and then we move to satisfy
them as well as the House and Senate, and than we come up to the
peOple and they say. "Though you have satisfied the House, though
you have satisfied the Senate, though you have satisfied the court,
you still haven't satisfied us," and then we have to move forward to
meet this. And this again is a negative thing. This doesn't say we
will approve that, it merely says we won't do that. We won't approve
what you have done. And always the standards rise. It becomes
increasingly difficult. For me it is a major disappointment.
TUTTIE: Well, can it be solved outside the courts? Do you think in
two years, after four years in office, apportionment will be behind
you?
GOVERNOR: I can't give you that answer. I am not sure that the
courts can answer it. Here is the problem, a rather interesting
thing. I moved forward to see to it that the large counties got more
representation in the House, let's give Dede l9, let's give other
ocunties 11, 10, 9, 9. And then I found that a large number of
peeple in those counties began to vote against the plan, in part
because they don't want large numbers. They do want better
representation, but they say take it away from somebody else, don't
add it here. Well, as you build up the numbers there, you build
obstacles and objections from the people in the areas that are not in
favor of this realignment on the one hand, and you build up Opposition
within those metropolitan areas because of the size. And then as you
but down on numbers in the metropolitan areas, you necessarily cut
down on numbers in the other areas of the state that are not
benefitting in this situation, so you build opposition there. And
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then, or course, there is a natural inertia on the part or people
against change. If they go into the booth, and I am guilty of it
myself, if I don't understand the proposal then I vote no. When in
doubt vote no. I an not sure that it's possible to design a formula
that can be approved by the people.
FRYE: Well, during the session, and after the November session,
people on both sides said that you could have settled it in a minute
with really strong leadership and maybe the big stick. Now, how far
do you think a Governor should go in prodding a Legislature to action?
GOVERNOR: In the Legislature I followed this policy: I don't trade.
I don't say to a legislator from another county if you will vote for
my appropriation I will vote for yours. Or if you will vote for my
proposal, even though you don't believe in it, I will vote for yours.
I never believed in that. And I was effective as a legislator within
some limitations and that is my philosophy. Now, as 3 Governor I feel
the same way. For instance: an area or the state doesn't vote for me
for Governor; well, that doesn't mean that I ought to punish them.
This is a political approach to the problem and I don't do it. I
forget about that in making decisions. And when we come up to the
problem of -- when you say use a big stick, let's deal with what you
are talking about. What you're saying is for me to tell a legislator;
"I will build a road in your caunty that you are not entitled to and
would not otherwise get, if you'll vote for me on this proposal. If
you'll do something you don't believe in for me, I'll do something I
don't believe in for you." Now this is the big stick. Or, conversely,
you're saying! "I will not build a road that you need in your county
and that you are entitled to have unless you do something for me that
you don't think you ought to do." I Just think this is a false basis
to operate government on. I can't work that way. I wouldn't be
comfortable. I Just can't work that way. I can sit down with
legislators and tell them why I think that this is necessary for the
State or Florida and, by and large, I have been successful. It is
true we haven't reached the standards the court -- well, we reached
the standards the courts set, but we haven't reached the standards
the people set. But we have come further than ever before and we
have come without the big stick. But I do want to say this: succeed
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or fail, I am not going to promise anybody to do anything I don't
believe in and I am not going to ask anybody to do anything that they
don't believe in. I Just can't do it. If that is a lack of leader-
ship, I'll Just have to be subject to that charge, because I don't
believe thats the way that government is intended to work and I can't
work that way.
FRYE: On taxes, you are given maJor credit for keeping the last
Legislature from voting new taxes. Do you think that this has in
any way hampered the progress of the state and perhaps the things
we need we aren't getting and can we get by two more years without
taxes?
GOVERNOR: Hell, I can't tell you that. That last one is a more
difficult question. Let no deal first with the first question. As
to whether doing without more taxes has hampered the state. Well, of
course it has. Obviously, if you have less money there are things
you haven't done. But these things must be balanced. Because we
haven't done that, because we haven't imposed more taxes, we have
kept a better climate for industry and for the people. And every
penny of money that we don't take from taxpayers we leave for them.
It is not a case of well, if we don't tax this money it will Just
disappear. It means that if we don't take it and spend it, the people
will have it to spend for things that they think are most important.
I thought that inasmuch as since the war we had imposed additional
taxes of a significant nature in every regular legislative session,
that the time had come when we should sit down and concentrate our
forces on better utilizing the financial resources that we have.
That's what we have done. We have actually reduced the general
operating expenses of government, but by greater utilization, I think,
more efficient utilization of resources that we have had, we have been
able to go ahead. One little thing that I think was kind of
interesting: I saw the figures revealed by Mr. Henderson of the
Florida Education Association the other day in his presentation to the
Budget Commission. It indicated that beginning in 1957 to '59, in
that period there '57, '58, '59 and '60, the expenditure of the
people or Florida per child in attendance at schools was at the same
level. That while the national expenditure per child per day at
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school was going up, Florida's was at a level and that we were falling
behind. But beginning in '61 and following thereafter, the per capita
expenditure has kept pace with the national level, the national trend.
So that during these years although we have been concentrating on
cutting and economising, we have been able even in this area to spend
additional monies for secondaryeducation as we have been doing for
higher education. We have done more for roads, we have done more
for parks, we have done more in the field of public health, we have
done more in almost every field that I can think of. But we have
done it by cutting back where we could on what we thought were
unnecessary expenditures.
TUTTLE: Are you going to have to change this now if you decide it
is necessary to ask the Legislature -- the upcoming Legislature ~-
fOr new taxes?
GOVERNOR: I hope not. Certainly as far as the Administration is
concerned we are going to continue to press to keep efficiency. But
here is what happens to people, to legislators, as long as the
Governor is saying no more, this is it, and is willing, and the
agencies under his administration go ahead under that basis, you have
a psychological pressure on legislators so that they can say to folks
back home: "Well, I would like to get money for this program you are
interested in, but the Governor has said so and so and if it wasnt
for him we could do it." This lets them put the blame on the Governor
and this is as it ought to be. But once the Governor says; "Well, I
need more for this, that and the other, then that lid is lifted and so
they don't have this defense back home and if the Governor is getting
it for his pet agencies, o.k. then I want it for my pet agencies and
you lose the control that's necessary.
FRYE: What about your own salary? Is it a financial sacrifice to be
Governor? Do you find it costs you money or does the salary go with
the Job?
GOVERNOR: well, I will put it this way: Governors will live different
ways, but I am spending all my salary, I am spending all my private
income and I run out at the end of the month with virtually no cash
on hand. I live within my income. I am not building anything for
the future. That's about the size of it.
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FRYE: Do you think the Governor should make more money?
GOVERNOR: Hell, it couldn't make less difference to me. The reward
of this Job is not the money. I am glad there is enough to live on,
but I couldn't care less whether it is raised or lowered, really, as
long as I have got enough to get by on these four years. I do think
that we have got to review the whole scale of executive salaries in
the government of Florida. You take -- we have got fellows heading
up agencies expending millions and millions of dollars and with
tremendous responsibility getting 10, 11 and 12 thousand dollars.
Well, it is unrealistic to expect this to continue. The members of
the Cabinet of Florida are underpaid, there is no question about that.
And the pressures from below are very great. YOu take at our
universities, for a doctor at the College of Medicine we have got to
pay 22 or 25 thousand dollars. Not because we want to. We have to pay
it to get him. Well, you pay him $25,000 and then you pay the people
on the Board of Education who are setting the policies under which
he operates $17,500, it is not realistic.
TUTTIE: On this question of taxes and the next Legislature, isn't
it also true, in relation to you as Governor, isn't it also true that
your honeymoon is over, so to speak, and that you will have less
influence with the Legislature?
GOVERNOR: I think that as a Governor reaches the end of his term
he necessarily has less influence. So far as the honeymoon is
concerned, my relations with the Legislature have never been better.
I would say that I will probably exert stronger leadership this next
time than I did the last time. The reasons for that are rather
complex and you might find them interesting. In the first session my
relationship with the Legislature on a broad basis -- everyone there
was really, literally, my friend. I was supported by the overwhelming
maJority of the members of the Legislature and, therefore, I did not
establish any leadership of individuals. I didnt say to an individual,
you are the leader or this group is the leader, but I worked across
the board. If I found a man that was interested in a bill I worked
with him to pass that bill, but there was nobody to say: "I am the
Governor's leader, and I am his mouthpiece." Well, I don't expect it
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